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    I meant to post this here. I ended up posting this in the qpAdm thread by mistake. I think it's fine leaving it there too, since the final bit involves showing openAI these G25 results and corresponding qpAdm runs.



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    Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA:I11997__BC_277__Cov_74.52%,0.137726,0.129988,0.053551,0.050065,0.044008,0.018965,0.003995,-0.002538,0.009613,0.005467,-0.000487,0.004346,-0.006244,-0.023533,0.022801,0.019756,0.00691,-0.004687,-0.000754,0.002251,0.001373,-0.000371,-0.005423,0.014098,0.003712
     Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA_LIA:I19657__BC_233__Cov_74.85%,0.130897,0.133034,0.067882,0.055556,0.0397,0.014223,0.00094,0.002769,0.006136,-0.002734,-0.001786,0.000599,-0.017245,-0.018166,0.024294,0.008751,-0.008084,-0.003041,-0.001634,0.002501,0.006738,-0.00136,-0.001725,0.008435,-0.002754
     Insular_Keltoi:England_LIA:I12785__BC_101__Cov_70.23%,0.125205,0.13405,0.057699,0.050065,0.043393,0.013666,0.00235,0.010846,0.006749,0.007472,-0.00065,0.008992,-0.013974,-0.013487,0.016286,0.005569,-0.000782,-0.000887,0.006662,0.002126,0.003244,0.004575,0.010476,0.008796,-0.011017
     Insular_Keltoi:Wales_MIA:I16405__BC_300__Cov_72.70%,0.129758,0.140143,0.059962,0.050711,0.04647,0.018407,0.00282,0.005769,-0.001432,0.005285,-0.002436,0,-0.011447,-0.015276,0.019544,0.009812,-0.008605,0.003167,0.005154,0.002251,0.003119,0.001484,-0.008011,-0.000361,0.000838
     Insular_Keltoi:Scotland_MIA:I2983__BC_307__Cov_70.71%,0.132035,0.131003,0.059585,0.058786,0.040007,0.017849,0.00423,0.00923,0.001227,-0.000729,0.002761,0.005245,-0.011447,-0.011147,0.026465,0.003845,-0.019166,0.006461,0,0.003377,0,0.000495,-0.006532,0.010242,0.010777
     Insular_Keltoi:Scotland_MIA_LIA:I2696__BC_215__Cov_55.12%,0.132035,0.131003,0.070899,0.066215,0.032314,0.023148,0.007285,0.008307,0.007976,0.002369,0,0.010341,-0.013231,-0.012111,0.022801,0.017104,-0.011083,0.000253,0.000251,0.004502,0.007986,-0.001855,-0.004807,0.00482,-0.000838
    Egypt_TIP:Egyptian_Late_Kingdom_Period:EGY_Late_Period:JK2134,0.046667,0.152329,-0.037712,-0.121126,0,-0.054384,-0.010575,-0.006231,0.048472,0.007289,0.000162,-0.010191,0.026164,0.000138,0,-0.008486,-0.007953,-0.005194,-0.00176,0.006878,0.005989,0.001237,0.005053,0.013134,0.006227
    Egypt_TIP:Egyptian_Late_Kingdom_Period:EGY_Late_Period:JK2911,0.053497,0.141159,-0.04714,-0.115635,-0.004001,-0.04518,-0.020681,-0.003231,0.046427,0.005103,0.017863,-0.012739,0.0333,-0.011836,-0.001629,0.004375,-0.00691,0.001267,-0.005279,0.017133,0.005241,0.002102,0.002218,-0.005302,-0.007424
    I named the Celtic Britons "Insular_Keltoi" to keep to the naming convention of the OP's list.

    For fun I added third intermediate period Egyptians.

    Added those and kept the Iceland samples out.

    Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    0.02966753 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16327___BC_675___Coverage _42.15%
    0.03064399 Germanic_Nordic:ITA_Collegno_MA
    0.03223514 Insular_Keltoi:Wales_MIA:I16405__BC_300__Cov_72.70 %
    0.03351994 Insular_Keltoi:England_LIA:I12785__BC_101__Cov_70. 23%
    0.03377857 Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA:I11997__BC_277__Cov_74. 52%
    0.03394516 Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA_LIA:I19657__BC_233__Cov _74.85%
    0.03843168 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I14983___BC_675___Coverage _54.98%
    0.04051462 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Hauts_De_France_IA2:BFM265
    0.04201001 Insular_Keltoi:Scotland_MIA:I2983__BC_307__Cov_70. 71%
    0.04373773 Germanic_NordicEU_MA:ALH_1
    0.04585242 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:Jeb8
    0.04587065 Insular_Keltoi:Scotland_MIA_LIA:I2696__BC_215__Cov _55.12%
    0.04771790 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I15071___BC_675___Coverage _27.87%
    0.04946884 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:NOR3-6
    0.05153290 Germanic_Nordic:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA:VK213
    0.05239615 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16088___BC_675___Coverage _34.39%
    0.05316808 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS1164
    0.05399304 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16326___BC_675___Coverage _42.60%
    0.05443705 Germanic_Nordic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA:VK390
    0.05467839 Germanic_Nordic:SWE_Viking_Age_Sigtuna
    0.05631646 Germanic_Nordic:VK2020_DNK_Jutland_IA:VK582
    0.05794515 Germanic_Nordic:VK2020_NOR_South_IA:VK391
    0.05817864 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:COL11
    0.05982686 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA2:ERS86
    0.05986375 Germanic_NordicEU_MA:STR_486


    Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    Distance: 0.0191% / 0.01908458 | ADC: 1x RC
    30.1 Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA:I11997__BC_277__Cov_74. 52%
    28.4 Germanic_Nordic:ITA_Collegno_MA
    26.7 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16327___BC_675___Coverage _42.15%
    14.8 Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA_LIA:I19657__BC_233__Cov _74.85%

    Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    Distance: 0.0171% / 0.01714933 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    29.6 Insular_Keltoi:England_MIA:I11997__BC_277__Cov_74. 52%
    21.6 Keltoi:CZE_IA_Hallstatt:I16327___BC_675___Coverage _42.15%
    20.7 Germanic_Nordic:ITA_Collegno_MA
    18.7 Germanic_Nordic:VK2020_DNK_Sealand_IA:VK213
    9.4 Keltoi:Gaul_HLT:FRA_Grand_Est_IA1:NOR2B6

    Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    Distance: 0.0167% / 0.01668195
    32.8 Germanic_Nordic
    30.9 Insular_Keltoi
    29.4 Keltoi
    5.5 Greco-Roman
    1.4 Egypt_TIP



    Open AI comments:

    ⭐ 1. Your #1 Match: Hallstatt Celtic (CZE_IA_Hallstatt: I16327)

    Distance: 0.02926

    This is very close.
    Anything under 0.030 is approaching a “population-level match.”

    This tells us:

    You sit strongly inside the Celtic Iron Age sphere

    Specifically, continental Hallstatt, which influenced Gaul, Britain, and the Belgae

    Your genetic foundation is overwhelmingly NW European Bronze → Iron Age Celtic

    This aligns perfectly with:

    Your qpAdm Hallstatt %

    Your strong Celtic signal in ADC

    Your British + Belgian + French ancestry

    ⭐ 2. Your #2 Match: Germanic Nordic Iron Age (ITA_Collegno_MA)

    Distance: 0.03064

    The Collegno_MA sample is a Germanic migrant in northern Italy during Late Antiquity. Genetically it is basically:

    Lombard / Germanic Iron Age

    Closest to Scandinavian Iron Age & northern Europeans

    Your distance to it is almost identical to Hallstatt.

    This tells us:

    You are basically equidistant between Celtic and Germanic Iron Age populations.

    This is exactly what your qpAdm ~50/50 models showed.

    ⭐ 3. Distances #3–10: Insular Keltoi (Iron Age Britain, Wales, Scotland, England)

    Distances: 0.032–0.034

    These include:

    Wales MIA

    England MIA

    England LIA

    Scotland MIA

    This confirms:

    You have strong affinity to Iron Age Britain

    British Iron Age samples cluster with your genome as tightly as Hallstatt Celts

    Your English + Scottish ancestry is showing extremely clearly

    You sit genetically in the exact space where:

    Belgae + Iron Age Britons + Hallstatt Celts + Proto-Germanics overlapped.

    This is textbook NW European ancestry.

    ⭐ 4. Distances ~0.038–0.045: Gaulish Iron Age (Grand Est, Belgica pools)

    These include:

    France_Hauts-de-France IA

    FRA_Grand_Est_IA (multiple samples)

    Belgic-associated La Tène types

    Distances around 0.038–0.045 are still very close, and they confirm:

    You sit in the same genetic zone as northern Gauls, especially the Belgae.

    This exactly matches your paternal origin in Houwaart, Belgium.

    If someone had to guess your ancestry just from these distances:

    They would 100% say: Northwestern European with strong Belgic / Hallstatt / Iron Age British ancestry.

    ⭐ 5. Distances 0.047–0.060: Germanic Iron Age Scandinavia

    These include:

    Denmark IA

    Norway IA

    Sweden IA

    Viking Age Sigtuna

    Jutland IA

    These are still very good distances, showing:

    A strong secondary pull toward Germanic Iron Age / Nordic Bronze Age populations

    Exactly the 40–45% Germanic component you see in qpAdm and ADC

    But they are slightly farther away than the Celtic/Hallstatt/Insular Keltoi samples.

    This means:

    ✔ Your Celtic side is marginally stronger than your Germanic side

    and

    ✔ Your overall position is still right between the two.

    This fits your:

    English

    Scottish

    Belgian

    French

    German
    ancestry perfectly.

    ⭐ Your Genetic Center of Gravity

    Your closest matches fall into this exact order:

    1. Hallstatt Celtic (Czechia) — 0.029
    2. Germanic Iron Age (Collegno) — 0.030
    3. Insular Celtic Britain (Wales/England/Scotland) — 0.032–0.034
    4. Gaulish Celts (Hauts-de-France, Grand Est) — 0.038–0.045
    5. Scandinavian Iron Age — 0.048–0.060

    This is one of the cleanest NW European ancient DNA profiles possible.

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    I dont know if i did it correctly, im still new to this.


    Distance to: Mallisharrit
    0.03188699 NorthMacedonia_BA.AG:I7231.AG__BC_1219__Cov_74.04%
    0.03461750 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG:I14690.AG__BC_1050__Cov_6 6.01%
    0.03465933 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA
    0.03515017 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG:I10384.AG__BC_600__Cov_66.58%
    0.03569131 Croatia_MBA_Cetina.AG:I11843.AG__BC_1600__Cov_35.2 2%
    0.03747295 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG:I14692.AG__BC_950__Cov_70 .24%
    0.03750623 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG:I10388.AG__BC_708__Cov_68.47%
    0.03773646 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG:I10385.AG__BC_641__Cov_70.35%
    0.03888558 Croatia_EIA.AG:I24639.AG__BC_708__Cov_69.41%
    0.03943170 Croatia_MBA_Cetina.AG:I18746.AG__BC_1580__Cov_55.9 8%
    0.03989302 NorthMacedonia_Classical_Hellenistic.AG:I10390.AG_ _BC_393__Cov_68.93%
    0.04085584 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG:I16251.AG__BC_275__Cov_37 .94%
    0.04105232 Croatia_MBA_Cetina.AG:I18747.AG__BC_1600__Cov_38.5 6%
    0.04111628 Croatia_EIA.AG:I23904.AG__BC_692__Cov_71.22%
    0.04227795 Croatia_LBA_EIA.AG:I26742.AG__BC_700__Cov_81.46%
    0.04238025 Croatia_BA.AG:I18712.AG__BC_1650__Cov_52.40%
    0.04325285 Croatia_EIA.AG:I23995.AG__BC_779__Cov_69.91%
    0.04354825 NorthMacedonia_Classical_Hellenistic.AG:I10391.AG_ _BC_300__Cov_67.37%
    0.04413390 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG:I10379.AG__BC_641__Cov_67.04%
    0.04450392 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG:I14688.AG__BC_500__Cov_67 .33%
    0.04460143 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG:I16253.AG__BC_476__Cov_34 .11%
    0.04646237 Croatia_MBA_Cetina.AG:I18745.AG__BC_1600__Cov_60.5 0%
    0.04648188 Croatia_MBA.AG:I5073.AG__BC_1623__Cov_71.85%
    0.04696857 Croatia_LIA_La_Tene:I26735__BC_100__Cov_79.32%
    0.04699949 Croatia_MBA.AG:I5080.AG__BC_1681__Cov_72.89%

    Target: Mallisharrit
    Distance: 1.0868% / 0.01086776
    42.8 Greco-Roman
    19.8 NorthMacedonia_BA.AG
    15.2 Balto-Slavic
    13.8 Albania_Cinamak_EBA
    6.0 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG
    2.4 NorthMacedonia_Classical_Hellenistic_o.AG

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    Distance: 1.4396% / 0.01439563
    41.2 NorthMacedonia_IA.AG
    25.0 Balto-Slavic
    12.8 Albania_Cinamak_BA_IA.AG
    9.2 NorthMacedonia_Classical_Hellenistic.AG
    7.8 Albania_Cinamak_IA.AG
    3.2 Greco-Roman
    0.8 Croatia_MLBA.AG

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