Ancient Balkan calculator

[Mallisharrit]

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EDIT: The samples have been edited with better accuracy to the following:

Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

Old results before the edit:

My results:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.02593193 Balkan_Dardanian_Proxy
0.02927380 Illyrian_North_Coast
0.03007302 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
0.03007302 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.03581225 Paeonian_Vardar_IA
0.03710563 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.04385380 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
0.11587838 Early_Slavic_Scaled

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 1.7417% / 0.01741723
50.0 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA
44.8 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
5.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled


Summary of my results according to AI:

"Final "Origin" Summary
If we were to write your genetic history based on these results:

1. Core Origin: You are a descendant of the Brnjica/Dardanian population.

2. Ancestral Component: You are a mix of Northern "Carpathian" migrants who moved south 3,000 years ago and Indigenous Mediterranean Balkan farmers.

3. Stability: Your lineage survived the Roman Empire and the Slavic migrations with 94.8% of its ancient Balkan genome intact.

[Usernotfound]

Something is wrong with this calculator

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.8020% / 0.00801988
38.4 Early_Slavic_Scaled
36.6 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
23.0 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
1.4 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.6 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA

[Mallisharrit]

Something is wrong with this calculator

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.8020% / 0.00801988
38.4 Early_Slavic_Scaled
36.6 SRB_Iron_Age_Local
23.0 Dacian_Transylvania_IA
1.4 SRB_Moesia_Superior_Local
0.6 Thracian_Plovdiv_IA

Could be. I got it from AI

[Dušan]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5649% / 0.02564863
57.2 Early_Slavic_Scaled
42.8 Paeonian_Vardar_IA

[Usernotfound]

Could be. I got it from AI

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

Keltic,0.129016,0.1473401,0.0501243,0.0143946,0.04 31652,0.0034073,0.0014815,0.0026186,0.0108576,0.02 11949,-0.0033889,0.0068092,-0.0136121,-0.0072761,0.0031865,-0.0007264,-0.0000964,0.0028753,0.0041316,-0.0000272,0.00153,0.0050321,-0.0020577,-0.003227,0.0002187
Slavic_medieval,0.1284778,0.1285914,0.0677402,0.06 11681,0.0408152,0.0233222,0.0061981,0.013961,-0.0000511,-0.0212076,-0.0017456,-0.0086172,0.0155721,0.0196114,-0.014607,-0.0009114,0.0054436,0.0007128,0.0012256,0.003064,-0.0040396,-0.0024729,0.0070714,-0.0053319,0.0008081
Germanic,0.1288787,0.1344191,0.0711386,0.0635282,0 .0426793,0.020752,0.0045612,0.0086955,0.0037185,-0.0054837,-0.0066875,0.0053749,-0.0076291,-0.0064245,0.0222458,0.0071417,-0.0127777,0.0034896,0.0036681,0.0065826,0.0082411, 0.0037096,-0.0001456,0.0110858,-0.002101
ImperialRoman,0.091817,0.14082,-0.033941,-0.0611547,-0.003488,-0.013666,0.0008617,-0.0030767,-0.0072267,0.0098407,0.0038433,0.0064943,0.0014867,-0.0024313,-0.001855,0.0122867,0.0087793,-0.001647,0.0026817,-0.004252,0.0009567,0.0029263,-0.0031633,0.0035747,0.0026747
Paeonian,0.1251104,0.1524141,0.0222186,-0.0208873,0.0278512,-0.0089709,-0.0009988,-0.0027885,0.003903,0.0311472,0.0025169,0.0074183,-0.0155226,-0.0051264,-0.0129839,-0.0032705,0.0063452,0.003336,0.0072695,-0.0080663,-0.0115837,0.004709,-0.0010063,0.0065771,-0.002355
Thracian,0.120273,0.1629925,0.0139535,-0.0441972,0.0328265,-0.0192435,-0.000705,0.0000385,0.0119305,0.0376623,0.0035995,0 .0049207,-0.0124625,0.0012615,-0.0239322,-0.0096128,0.0081708,0.0036742,0.0080027,-0.0096297,-0.009504,0.0063268,0.0000208,0.0041168,-0.0028538
Dacian,0.1220186,0.1389242,0.0187052,-0.0175712,0.0244968,-0.0065818,-0.002303,0.0010156,0.0034768,0.025331,0.0032478,0. 0029074,-0.0085034,-0.0026148,-0.0097448,0.0038452,0.0059978,0.0016722,0.0107346,-0.0049522,-0.010731,0.0113514,-0.00281,0.007326,0.0025388
Illyrian,0.1249208,0.1543602,0.0311122,-0.0088018,0.0300825,-0.003765,0.0008812,-0.002596,0.0003068,0.0267885,0.0038568,0.00562,-0.0173562,-0.0052298,-0.009738,0.0008288,0.0214808,0.0018052,0.003991,-0.010849,-0.0029635,-0.0005565,-0.004283,0.0100312,-0.0044905
Turkic,0.0693445,-0.1594382,0.0349706,0.0100006,-0.0458132,-0.0054545,0.0061191,0.0063813,-0.0148987,-0.0117788,-0.0162201,-0.0019251,0.0002601,-0.0116926,0.0088427,0.0045359,-0.0057093,0.001954,0.0035148,0.0012554,-0.0150887,0.0001807,-0.0047569,-0.0018933,-0.0021326

[Mallisharrit]

It uses modern Romanian average for Dacians

Just use these, there is no mistake with it.

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

[Usernotfound]

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

[Mallisharrit]

Distance to: Dacian_Transylvania_IA
0.01717698 Romania
0.01731336 Bulgaria
0.02278493 North_Macedonia
0.02369873 Montenegro
0.02369876 Serbia
0.03386261 Bosnia
0.03395781 Albania
0.03532103 Moldova
0.04171582 Switzerland
0.04379247 Croatia
0.04532387 Slovenia
0.04678818 Hungary
0.04893914 Austria
0.04997587 Italy
0.05566516 Belgium
0.05810654 France
0.05822438 Czech_Republic
0.05879773 Greece
0.05977724 Germany
0.06080117 Ukraine
0.06409569 Portugal
0.06461303 Spain
0.06971452 Holland
0.07138956 Slovakia
0.07254506 Wales

It does not look good.

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

These results seems much better

Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?


Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

[Usernotfound]

Isnt the Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample supposed to be closest to Romania?


Where did you get the information that the sample is modern Romanian averages?

Modern Romanians are mixed, they are not Dacians. AI give you just Romanians average as “Dacians” I posted you closest modern pop.

I10384, I10385, I10388, these samples are Paeonians, samples from Macedonia not Romania.

[AnthrogenicaRefugee]

I asked AI about this and it insist its ancient samples. I got the following answer:

"1. The "Dacian" Sample
The Dacian_Transylvania_IA sample comes from the study Lazaridis et al. (2022). In the official G25 "Ancient Scaled" datasheet, you will find it under this name:

G25 Label: Dacian_Transylvania_IA

Academic IDs to look for: I10384, I10385, I10388.

Site: These individuals were found in Aiud, Transylvania (modern Romania).

Date: ~300 BCE (Iron Age)."


This is the result i get from the samples you provided:

Distance to: Mallisharrit
0.03172987 Dacian
0.03326099 Paeonian
0.04191147 Illyrian
0.05257213 Thracian
0.06173208 Celtic
0.09048412 ImperialRoman
0.11022459 Slavic_medieval
0.11696359 Germanic
0.32334546 Turkic

Target: Mallisharrit
Distance: 2.0153% / 0.02015338
29.4 Paeonian
28.4 Thracian
24.6 Slavic_medieval
17.0 ImperialRoman
0.6 Turkic

Nah, it's shit and such a sample doesn't exist.