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    Default Aromanian Vlach Average K13

    29 Aromanians in total
    All settled in Romania as part of population exchange with Bulgaria. Mainly in Constanta and Bucharest.
    Their ancestry comes from Kavala Greece, Blagoevgrad Bulgaria, Silistra Bulgaria, Bachevo Bulgaria, Thessaloniki Greece, Bitola North Macedonia, Struga North Macedonia, Gorna Dzhumaya Bulgaria.

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    19.05 23.68 19.16 14.27 18.97 0.88 1.96 0.83 1.21 0 0 0 0
    19.98 21.95 20.79 12.18 22.60 1.05 0.18 0.34 0.91 0 0 0 0
    17.79 20.84 18.59 11.70 27.51 1.38 1.01 0.15 0.35 0.67 0 0 0
    18.34 18.11 18.52 13.72 25.80 2.99 0.15 2.14 0 0 0.24 0 0
    20.13 19.40 17.36 9.50 28.13 4.71 0 0 0 0.17 0 0.59 0
    23.52 16.11 22.12 10.61 23.73 1.94 0 0 1.49 0.30 0.19 0 0
    20.67 17.46 21.89 12.39 22.97 2.42 0 1.69 0 0 0.09 0.37 0.05
    18.17 19.68 22.29 11.86 22.52 3.33 0 0 1.09 0 0.83 0.22 0
    20.41 19.62 21.47 10.66 24.53 2.14 0 0 0 0 0.83 0 0.33
    22.62 15.33 23.09 9.54 24.44 2.32 0.83 0 0.27 1.23 0.34 0 0
    17.26 18.35 20.70 14.59 25.77 2.10 0.44 0.24 0 0.17 0 0.31 0
    21.45 21.30 19.19 6.74 23.78 3.96 1.32 0.27 0.11 1.09 0.18 0.51 0.11
    18.95 19.92 21.55 12.65 23.47 2.72 0 0 0 0.09 0.64 0 0
    20.54 17.91 20.31 11.13 26.44 2.54 0 0 0 0.65 0.48 0 0
    22.26 19.31 19.04 9.90 23.22 3.28 0.99 0 0 1.87 0.14 0 0
    21.00 17.19 20.74 13.04 22.44 3.33 0 0.20 0 1.54 0.52 0 0
    20.19 22.29 20.74 10.19 24.06 1.30 0 0.07 1.01 0 0.13 0 0
    24.14 17.24 19.28 14.01 21.77 2.72 0 0 0 0.85 0 0 0
    20.29 18.85 19.86 13.53 22.86 2.98 0 0 1.62 0 0 0 0
    22.41 22.02 19.28 11.13 21.65 1.82 0.38 0 0.43 0.66 0.21 0 0
    18.74 19.20 19.42 15.26 24.96 1.06 0 0 1.32 0.05 0 0 0
    22.98 19.25 20.21 10.58 23.54 1.91 0.31 0 0.74 0.49 0 0 0
    19.91 20.04 16.31 14.49 24.14 3.50 1.13 0 0.26 0.22 0 0 0
    19.11 21.83 20.46 12.29 20.04 4.72 0.05 0.48 0 0.52 0.50 0 0
    22.00 22.65 20.77 8.99 21.14 1.42 1.43 0 1.46 0.14 0 0 0
    19.50 20.59 22.35 14.35 20.68 1.32 0 0 0.53 0.11 0.58 0 0
    24.30 17.60 21.30 10.01 22.97 3.03 0 0.38 0.21 0.20 0 0 0
    19.97 21.03 19.05 13.79 21.77 3.51 0.50 0.12 0.26 0 0 0 0
    20.16 19.11 19.91 12.22 25.11 1.52 0 0 0 1.55 0.43 0 0

    Average K13:
    Code:
    Aromanian(n=29),20.55,19.58,20.20,11.91,23.48,2.48,0.37,0.24,0.46,0.43,0.22,0.07,0.02


    G25 sims:
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    37_Aromanian,0.129393,0.136978,0.024673,0.002542,0.019934,0.004889,0.003863,0.008225,-0.001819,0.001789,0.005029,-0.000431,0.002321,0.000572,-0.003840,-0.001669,0.001966,-0.003214,-0.003482,-0.001499,-0.002508,-0.002392,0.002312,-0.003580,-0.000407
    38_Aromanian,0.130566,0.148745,0.026377,-0.007345,0.023735,-0.000187,0.002029,0.007459,0.001576,0.006423,0.005574,-0.000375,0.002624,0.000493,-0.004228,-0.001910,0.001776,-0.003474,-0.003606,-0.000872,-0.002220,-0.002570,0.002160,-0.003238,-0.000370
    39_Aromanian,0.127543,0.147990,0.016829,-0.013050,0.019126,-0.002120,-0.001476,0.004327,0.002943,0.005978,0.007257,-0.002105,0.006311,0.002313,-0.005605,-0.001456,0.001372,-0.003552,-0.003275,0.000132,-0.001960,-0.001984,0.002279,-0.002002,-0.000679
    40_Aromanian,0.124628,0.142100,0.011493,-0.019965,0.021763,-0.003482,0.000098,0.005314,0.000135,0.005647,0.004812,-0.001466,0.004795,0.000498,-0.002609,-0.000099,0.000237,-0.003339,-0.003489,-0.000272,-0.001303,-0.001464,0.002036,-0.002259,-0.000584
    41_Aromanian,0.122500,0.156202,0.016497,-0.020021,0.022280,-0.005342,-0.001627,0.005444,0.008513,0.006207,0.007277,-0.003473,0.008956,0.001790,-0.003321,0.000143,-0.000734,-0.003161,-0.002999,0.001815,-0.000685,-0.000797,0.001713,-0.000500,-0.001004
    42_Aromanian,0.127975,0.147956,0.023473,-0.015568,0.023291,-0.006145,-0.001139,0.005264,0.006839,0.014868,0.002990,0.001173,-0.000316,-0.002275,-0.001139,-0.001183,0.000038,-0.003019,-0.003007,-0.000068,-0.000890,-0.002597,0.001083,-0.002201,0.000230
    43_Aromanian,0.124273,0.146735,0.018392,-0.017266,0.026254,-0.002480,0.000206,0.005324,0.003771,0.010309,0.003430,0.000536,0.000787,-0.001100,-0.001819,-0.001083,0.000976,-0.003309,-0.003945,-0.001068,-0.001431,-0.002255,0.001828,-0.003323,-0.000217
    44_Aromanian,0.125030,0.147700,0.020195,-0.012757,0.023975,-0.008316,0.000411,0.007103,0.004875,0.009070,0.005654,-0.000646,0.003487,-0.000076,-0.004160,-0.001623,0.001703,-0.003750,-0.004112,-0.000238,-0.002156,-0.002999,0.001932,-0.003938,-0.000340
    45_Aromanian,0.125575,0.154558,0.019994,-0.011565,0.027394,-0.006783,-0.000062,0.006612,0.004935,0.010334,0.005908,-0.000570,0.003282,0.000355,-0.003748,-0.001514,0.001191,-0.003597,-0.003796,-0.000224,-0.001690,-0.002364,0.001893,-0.002844,-0.000580
    46_Aromanian,0.126322,0.148554,0.019090,-0.015806,0.024821,-0.006470,-0.005539,0.001273,0.009597,0.017199,0.003706,0.000992,0.000251,-0.001492,-0.001960,-0.001326,0.000510,-0.003382,-0.003511,-0.000110,-0.000881,-0.002563,0.001263,-0.002523,-0.000020
    47_Aromanian,0.125200,0.153653,0.012860,-0.019084,0.018663,-0.003545,0.000090,0.004818,0.000749,0.006965,0.005547,-0.000462,0.003021,0.000385,-0.003618,-0.001185,0.001556,-0.003527,-0.003881,-0.000931,-0.002202,-0.002637,0.002074,-0.003485,-0.000417
    48_Aromanian,0.122415,0.144940,0.024370,-0.006798,0.026988,-0.001856,-0.004124,0.003472,0.012319,0.008799,0.006937,-0.002747,0.007387,0.001866,-0.004320,-0.000994,0.000357,-0.003336,-0.003362,0.001345,-0.000863,-0.001130,0.001896,-0.001236,-0.000920
    49_Aromanian,0.128061,0.154572,0.018730,-0.012459,0.024643,-0.005698,0.000069,0.006152,0.002526,0.007973,0.005919,-0.000573,0.003271,0.000289,-0.003629,-0.001241,0.001422,-0.003725,-0.004037,-0.000594,-0.002040,-0.002559,0.002004,-0.003579,-0.000603
    50_Aromanian,0.127066,0.153326,0.017020,-0.016697,0.023356,-0.006870,-0.002752,0.003435,0.004930,0.010280,0.005654,-0.000842,0.003825,0.000284,-0.002984,-0.000796,0.000362,-0.003394,-0.003345,0.000221,-0.001224,-0.001978,0.001660,-0.002013,-0.000529
    51_Aromanian,0.126974,0.145107,0.022698,-0.007582,0.022491,-0.001862,-0.006220,-0.000325,0.006519,0.008521,0.005539,-0.001302,0.004383,0.000500,-0.002204,-0.000255,-0.000230,-0.003099,-0.002999,0.000564,-0.000745,-0.001305,0.001529,-0.001379,-0.000688
    52_Aromanian,0.126258,0.147065,0.018662,-0.013097,0.021640,-0.005716,-0.004948,-0.000240,0.002235,0.008898,0.004205,0.000158,0.001530,-0.001009,-0.001000,-0.000165,0.000139,-0.003169,-0.003452,-0.000465,-0.001161,-0.002085,0.001428,-0.002780,-0.000402
    53_Aromanian,0.130434,0.150289,0.027536,-0.008169,0.025462,-0.002149,0.001298,0.007844,0.004592,0.007773,0.006462,-0.001109,0.004258,0.001145,-0.005167,-0.002102,0.001683,-0.003601,-0.003533,-0.000137,-0.002053,-0.002435,0.002171,-0.002709,-0.000473
    54_Aromanian,0.129156,0.153175,0.021375,-0.011160,0.020783,-0.001279,-0.001763,0.002155,0.000179,0.007427,0.003050,0.000802,-0.000117,-0.002060,0.001340,0.000516,-0.001022,-0.002562,-0.002762,-0.000640,-0.000647,-0.001517,0.001048,-0.001797,-0.000340
    55_Aromanian,0.127780,0.147325,0.021573,-0.014191,0.018335,-0.003791,0.001187,0.006864,0.001520,0.007042,0.004447,-0.000435,0.002736,-0.000969,-0.001911,-0.000529,0.000192,-0.003117,-0.003114,-0.000065,-0.001514,-0.002352,0.001500,-0.002597,-0.000152
    56_Aromanian,0.130449,0.148886,0.027960,-0.002492,0.024743,0.000059,-0.000318,0.004918,0.002709,0.005530,0.005537,-0.000749,0.003116,0.000418,-0.002665,-0.000995,0.000569,-0.003075,-0.003102,-0.000296,-0.001453,-0.001713,0.001804,-0.002079,-0.000636
    57_Aromanian,0.128753,0.148762,0.018492,-0.014822,0.016088,-0.003229,0.001969,0.006120,-0.002396,0.005247,0.004883,-0.000115,0.002105,-0.000238,-0.002950,-0.001114,0.001035,-0.003124,-0.003089,-0.000854,-0.002113,-0.002657,0.001820,-0.002840,-0.000133
    58_Aromanian,0.129458,0.150140,0.025216,-0.009917,0.023756,-0.001935,-0.000975,0.005002,0.005206,0.009925,0.004637,-0.000175,0.002188,-0.000516,-0.002105,-0.000981,0.000165,-0.003058,-0.002989,0.000006,-0.001080,-0.001927,0.001495,-0.001810,-0.000305
    59_Aromanian,0.126991,0.149890,0.014736,-0.010896,0.016037,-0.000553,0.000564,0.005564,-0.000655,0.001791,0.005765,-0.002040,0.005687,0.000620,-0.001506,0.000669,-0.000725,-0.002867,-0.002725,0.000309,-0.001150,-0.001072,0.001631,-0.001327,-0.000826
    60_Aromanian,0.127337,0.148644,0.022991,-0.007528,0.025452,-0.002834,-0.001075,0.005266,0.002700,0.004372,0.006207,-0.001696,0.005246,0.000637,-0.003067,-0.000375,0.000869,-0.003707,-0.004131,-0.000145,-0.001776,-0.001898,0.002063,-0.003536,-0.000920
    61_Aromanian,0.130155,0.143542,0.030543,-0.000510,0.025422,0.001180,0.001163,0.008296,0.007388,0.009106,0.005590,-0.000719,0.003286,0.000496,-0.004444,-0.002137,0.001406,-0.003377,-0.003307,-0.000033,-0.001729,-0.002314,0.001936,-0.002483,-0.000333
    62_Aromanian,0.129925,0.151077,0.023143,-0.006883,0.023713,-0.003323,0.001796,0.006336,-0.000939,0.006912,0.004702,0.000915,0.000055,-0.000704,-0.003021,-0.001789,0.002082,-0.003517,-0.004031,-0.001735,-0.002516,-0.003158,0.002000,-0.004450,-0.000275
    63_Aromanian,0.128906,0.153868,0.024079,-0.013801,0.027157,-0.002709,-0.001287,0.005474,0.007271,0.012685,0.003755,0.000253,0.001391,-0.001493,-0.000720,-0.000482,-0.000433,-0.003116,-0.003254,0.000095,-0.000588,-0.001733,0.001264,-0.001892,-0.000311
    64_Aromanian,0.128696,0.152390,0.020632,-0.009348,0.020878,-0.000205,0.001315,0.006866,0.000497,0.003674,0.005594,-0.001255,0.004241,0.000189,-0.002142,-0.000158,0.000311,-0.003282,-0.003479,-0.000296,-0.001635,-0.001760,0.001844,-0.002731,-0.000729
    65_Aromanian,0.128005,0.148544,0.020160,-0.011406,0.021585,-0.004688,-0.004298,0.000120,0.001717,0.007573,0.005664,-0.000475,0.002868,0.000611,-0.003214,-0.001062,0.000931,-0.003262,-0.003270,-0.000462,-0.001603,-0.002123,0.001833,-0.002355,-0.000516
    G25 sim average:
    Code:
    Aromanian(n=29),0.1274422,0.1490591,0.0210272,-0.011298,0.0227505,-0.0030151,-0.0007429,0.0049821,0.0034632,0.007873,0.0052321,-0.0006528,0.003206,0.0000527,-0.0028192,-0.0009274,0.0006794,-0.0033004,-0.0034167,-0.0002247,-0.0015109,-0.0020806,0.0017758,-0.002534,-0.0004648
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    Distance to: Aromanian(n=29)
    1.65529454 Macedonian_South
    1.78347974 Greek_Florina
    2.71668916 Greek_CentralMacedonia
    2.71856580 Albanian_Macedonia
    3.12259507 Greek_Thessaly
    3.38249908 Albanian_North_Albania
    3.40280766 Greek_West
    3.42280587 Torbesh
    3.54735112 Greek_Thrace
    3.58323876 Albanian_Kosovo
    3.75540943 Greek_Epirus
    3.80545661 Macedonian_Central
    4.30253414 Albanian_Montenegro
    4.45641111 Greek_Achaea
    4.48470735 Macedonian_North
    4.56119502 Turkish_Macedonia
    4.64736484 Bulgarian_Southeastern
    4.77027253 Bulgarian_Moldova
    4.96911461 Gagauz
    5.16553966 Albanian_South_Albania
    5.33323542 Greek_Laconia_Karitsa
    5.51711881 Greek_Arcadia
    5.71301147 Bulgarian_Southcentral
    6.02149483 Greek_Euboea_South
    6.04603176 Bulgarian_Northeastern

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    Distance to: Aromanian(n=29)
    0.02285955 Greek_Eastern_Macedonia_and_Thrace_(n=9)
    0.02503975 Macedonian_North_Macedonia_(n=32)
    0.02533715 Vlach_Aromanian_Greece_(n=7)
    0.02565126 Greek_Eastern_Rumelia/Northern_Thrace_(n=14)
    0.02726134 Swiss_Italian_(n=3)
    0.02735320 Moldovan_Stefan_Voda_(n=10)
    0.02744825 Greek_Central_Macedonia_(n=38)
    0.02781876 Pomak_Greece_(n=11)
    0.02808980 Greek_Peloponnese_Messenia_Outer_Mani_(n=25)
    0.02829920 Italian_Friuli_Timau_(Bavarian)_o_(n=1)
    0.02880810 Moldova_Gagauz-Bulgarian
    0.02884024 Italian_Piedmont_Val_Borbera_(Ligurian)_(n=10)
    0.02912672 Turkish_Balkans_(Balkan_Profile)_(n=7)
    0.02994849 Greek_Thessaly_(n=12)
    0.03031969 Italian_Emilia_(Emilian)_(n=8)
    0.03053617 Torbesi_North_Macedonia_(n=2)
    0.03068123 Pomak_North_Macedonia_(n=2)
    0.03077697 Albanian_Gheg_Montenegro_(n=6)
    0.03088492 Turkish_Western_Macedonia_(n=5)
    0.03118413 Italian_Tuscany_(Tuscan)_(n=23)
    0.03125824 Italian_Friuli_(Friulian)_(n=18)
    0.03145947 Italian_Veneto_(Venetian)_(n=21)
    0.03182722 Bulgarian_(n=13)
    0.03191890 Albanian_Gheg_Kosovo_(n=34)
    0.03203173 Greek_Peloponnese_Laconia_Sparta_(n=12)
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    "The Vlachs, including modern Romanians, can legitimately claim descent from Rome, in spite of maybe not having Italic ancestry, because they descend from Romanized provincial populations, as most Romans did. Roman identity was never genetic, and continuity lies in language, practices, and self-identification rather than blood. The preservation of a Latin-derived language reflects that continuity, even as Slavic and other elements were absorbed, which is no contradiction - assimilation was always how Roman identity worked, in antiquity (Romanization) and in modern times (Romanianization) alike."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurzat View Post
    "The Vlachs, including modern Romanians, can legitimately claim descent from Rome, in spite of maybe not having Italic ancestry, because they descend from Romanized provincial populations, as most Romans did. Roman identity was never genetic, and continuity lies in language, practices, and self-identification rather than blood. The preservation of a Latin-derived language reflects that continuity, even as Slavic and other elements were absorbed, which is no contradiction - assimilation was always how Roman identity worked, in antiquity (Romanization) and in modern times (Romanianization) alike."

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    The thing is that the pre-Slavic Getae-Dacian-Thracian genetic base was really close to Italic.

    Aromanians have mixed with the incoming Slavs obviously, but less so than Romanians. They are not that far off from Italians.
    The further we go back in time from the year 2000 AD towards 0 AD, the more paleo-Balkan and Italian-like the profile of the average Romanian/Moldovan from that time will be, because the pre-Slavic substrate was Central Italian-like. It will be a similar picture to the one in Croatia and Serbia, where we haves significantly more samples from antiquity, migration period, early medieval and medieval.

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