DNA tests cannot determine one's ethnicity, they can only estimate it.

**villainchai** · 01-23-2026, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee

Since when do Swedes plot with Ukrainians. Maybe on a global PCA, but then most of Europe will be tightly clustered together.

Tbh I took that as him intentionally being hyperbolic to make a point

**Lioncourt** · 01-23-2026, 01:43 PM

Some European populations are almost interchangeable, so yes. However, it gives the rough idea. If you plot with Bulgarians, you could be Romanian, maybe a significantly southern shifted Serb, but not Spanish or Norwegian.

**Dior Haines** · 01-23-2026, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by AnthrogenicaRefugee

Since when do Swedes plot with Ukrainians. Maybe on a global PCA, but then most of Europe will be tightly clustered together.

I didn't understand the meaning either. It seemed to me that he was saying that a Ukrainian with Swedish ancestry or someone who is genetically close to the Swedes cannot be considered a Swede.

**reboun** · 01-23-2026, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dior Haines

These people are mostly Greeks and Balkan who have been assimilated. I, too, from the Caucasus.

Bosniaks, Circassians, Turkmens, Kurds, Levantines, Albanians... All are equally Turkish. In Turkey, you cannot say "you are not ethnically Turkish because you are of Circassian origin". If you say so, you are f.cked up.

Turkishness has nothing to do with genetics.

**AnthrogenicaRefugee** · 01-23-2026, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by reboun

Bosniaks, Circassians, Turkmens, Kurds, Levantines, Albanians... All are equally Turkish. In Turkey, you cannot say "you are not ethnically Turkish because you are of Circassian origin". If you say so, you are f.cked up.

Turkishness has nothing to do with genetics.

United States of Turkey

**Mortimer** · 01-23-2026, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by reboun

Bosniaks, Circassians, Turkmens, Kurds, Levantines, Albanians... All are equally Turkish. In Turkey, you cannot say "you are not ethnically Turkish because you are of Circassian origin". If you say so, you are f.cked up.

Turkishness has nothing to do with genetics.

You will probably have a problem if you say so which is not really freedom

**reboun** · 01-23-2026, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dušan

Ethnic Ukrainian with 4 Ukrainian grandparents will not plot near Swedish average.

Autosomal genetics is sience and should take seriously.

Maybe all their 10. degree grandparents once migrated from Sweden to Ukraine and eventually assimilated into Ukrainian culture?

**Mortimer** · 01-23-2026, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by reboun

Maybe all their 10. degree grandparents once migrated from Sweden to Ukraine and eventually assimilated into Ukrainian culture?

But for you your migration history is not that old though
Your grandparents were born in bosnia you said

**Dior Haines** · 01-23-2026, 01:56 PM

You should probably accept that you are genetically more of a Balkan Slav than a Turk. But that does not negate your Turkish national identity. I have noticed that you often bring up this issue

**Dušan** · 01-23-2026, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by reboun

Maybe all their 10. degree grandparents once migrated from Sweden to Ukraine and eventually assimilated into Ukrainian culture?

In that case they would have been mix with Ukrainians over generations, and eventualy will plot within Ukrainian cluster, and away from Swedish one.

I dont know why your Bosniak grandparents after they moved to Turkey remain ghettoized and didnt mix with ethnic Turks.
That is how it is. You cannot change past, but can influnce on future.
You can find ethnic Turkish woman so your children be half genetic Turks.