DNA tests cannot determine one's ethnicity, they can only estimate it.

[Defcon2]

I don't understand why the OP rejects their ethnic origin and pretends to be something they're not. I imagine it's out of a desire to fit in with the people around them.

In my case, there's a similar situation on a smaller scale. My parents were born on the other side of the country, in a different region, and emigrated to where I am now during the 90s. I never felt the need to reject my ethnic origin and pretend to be something else, even though I was born here. I identify more with my parents' ancestral origins.

I prefer authenticity or truth to social conformity, which is often just something very superficial and ultimately harmful.

[Narration]

I don't understand why the OP rejects their ethnic origin and pretends to be something they're not. I imagine it's out of a desire to fit in with the people around them.

In my case, there's a similar situation on a smaller scale. My parents were born on the other side of the country, in a different region, and emigrated to where I am now during the 90s. I never felt the need to reject my ethnic origin and pretend to be something else, even though I was born here. I identify more with my parents' ancestral origins.

I prefer authenticity or truth to social conformity, which is often just something very superficial and ultimately harmful.

He actually denies the genetic basis of Turkish ethnicity. I have no problem he identifies as a Turk but I don't accept if he claims Turkish ethnicity has no racial basis.

[Katarzyna]

First of all: A Ukrainian will not plot like a Scandinavian in any modern calculator. Only in ancient one they might have same amount of basal components (similar European HG, EEF, Steppe) but will have different distances cause Ukrainians are Balto-Slavic drifted.

I agree that determining one’s ethnicity (or meta ethnicity among Europeans) should not be abused to discriminate certain groups although it is sometimes fun to make a playful competition (as long as boundaries are respected ofc)

[reboun]

We need to differentiate between Turkophonic people and people with Turkic ancestry. Most of the "Turk" population in Kosovo consists of Turkophonic people who, after 1912, chose an Ottoman identification rather than an Albanian one. Most Turks in Kosovo have Albanian tribal surnames that were simply Turkified.
Examples include Thaqi to Taç, Bytyqi to Bütüç, Mazreku to Mazrek, and Krasniqi to Krasniç. For example, among members of KDTP, the biggest Turkish political party in Kosovo, about 90 percent of their members are Albanians who have used Turkish orthography to write their names. I have seen two Prizren "Turk" DNA tests, and both showed 0 percent Turkic ancestry.


Secondly, I do not know about Bosniaks in Turkey, but Albanians, from what I have seen, are very proud of being both Albanian and Turkish. You will see the Albanian flag or eagle everywhere inside their communities. I have distant family members in Turkey, and they speak Albanian. Not all of them, but most do.

Turkish ethnicity is not based on genetic similarity. It is based on culture and linguistics. In Turkey, it is very common to have friends, neighbors, colleagues who are very different from each other in terms of ancestry.

[reboun]

First of all: A Ukrainian will not plot like a Scandinavian in any modern calculator. Only in ancient one they might have same amount of basal components (similar European HG, EEF, Steppe) but will have different distances cause Ukrainians are Balto-Slavic drifted.

I agree that determining one’s ethnicity (or meta ethnicity among Europeans) should not be abused to discriminate certain groups although it is sometimes fun to make a playful competition (as long as boundaries are respected ofc)

I just gave an abstract example, I don't really know about Ukrainian ethnogenesis. However, I am 100% sure there are Anatolian Turk samples who plot closest to Balkans in GEDmatch database. But unfortunately, individual samples on GEDmatch are not publicly accessible. We can only see regional averages.

[reboun]

Ethnic Ukrainian with 4 Ukrainian grandparents will not plot near Swedish average.

Autosomal genetics is sience and should take seriously.

Since when do Swedes plot with Ukrainians. Maybe on a global PCA, but then most of Europe will be tightly clustered together.

Some European populations are almost interchangeable, so yes. However, it gives the rough idea. If you plot with Bulgarians, you could be Romanian, maybe a significantly southern shifted Serb, but not Spanish or Norwegian.

First of all: A Ukrainian will not plot like a Scandinavian in any modern calculator. Only in ancient one they might have same amount of basal components (similar European HG, EEF, Steppe) but will have different distances cause Ukrainians are Balto-Slavic drifted.

I agree that determining one’s ethnicity (or meta ethnicity among Europeans) should not be abused to discriminate certain groups although it is sometimes fun to make a playful competition (as long as boundaries are respected ofc)

There are lots of Ukrainian Nordids, who would obviously plot closer to Swedish average.