White American State Averages K15

[celticdragongod]

IMHO it's because Southerners are more German/French/other mixed, and less Irish/Scottish than they proclaim. Utah is also heavily Northern/North Midlands English (plus some Welsh), who have more Insular Celtic blood than the Southern English ancestry that dominates elsewhere in the US.

Aren't US Southerners largely descended from Lowland Scots who tend to be more closely related to the Northern English than to the Highland Scots?

[Highwayman]

IMHO it's because Southerners are more German/French/other mixed, and less Irish/Scottish than they proclaim. Utah is also heavily Northern/North Midlands English (plus some Welsh), who have more Insular Celtic blood than the Southern English ancestry that dominates elsewhere in the US.

For those unfamiliar with the history of Utah: It is 60% Mormon, and was settled by Mormons specifically to be away from the government and everyone else. They only married into their religion, and genealogy for them is not only a passion: they have a history of holding baptisms for their dead ancestors. They’re absolutely a distinct genetic group, without the drift of others such as the Amish.


Their website, Familysearch, is a goldmine of compiled family trees with an impressive number of uploaded documents.

[J. Ketch]

Aren't US Southerners largely descended from Lowland Scots who tend to be more closely related to the Northern English than to the Highland Scots?

Well, by reputation they are largely descended from Lowland/Ulster Scots, and by the census they are largely Irish, but when I collected 500+ White Southern gedmatch kits I was surprised by how relatively uncommon genetically Irish/Scottish-like individual results were. Peterski might have noticed the same.

[Highwayman]

Aren't US Southerners largely descended from Lowland Scots who tend to be more closely related to the Northern English than to the Highland Scots?

I have a hunch that your common redneck leans much more southern English while hillbillies may have somewhat more northern or Scots-Irish ancestors in their make up.


The most famous hillbillies? Hatfields and McCoys. Hatfield is English.

[Birchy]

With the simulated G25 cords
Distance to: Birchy
0.02010839 Utah(n=52)
0.02102083 Oklahoma(n=27)
0.02127470 Delaware(n=9)
0.02160490 Arizona(n=5)
0.02165798 Kentucky(n=65)
0.02168503 Colorado(n=5)
0.02214803 Mississippi(n=22)
0.02215954 Arkansas(n=39)
0.02224242 Maine(n=30)
0.02280899 West_Wirginia(n=43)
0.02306406 Iowa(n=34)
0.02307796 Oregon(n=18)
0.02309602 North_Carolina(n=74)
0.02329764 Alabama(n=73)
0.02343921 Virginia(n=49)
0.02348913 South_Carolina(n=52)
0.02355091 Wyoming(n=5)
0.02367086 New_Hampshire(n=14)
0.02369145 Idaho(n=12)
0.02381237 Indiana(n=57)
0.02389586 Tennessee(n=47)
0.02393882 Georgia(n=50)
0.02483483 Nebraska(n=24)
0.02496772 Texas(n=37)
0.02524873 Washington(n=25)
Target: Birchy
Distance: 1.9192% / 0.01919219
67.2 Utah(n=52)
19.8 Arizona(n=5)
13.0 South_Dakota(n=7)

[Peterski]

With the simulated G25 cords
Distance to: Birchy
0.02010839 Utah(n=52)
0.02102083 Oklahoma(n=27)
0.02127470 Delaware(n=9)
0.02160490 Arizona(n=5)
0.02165798 Kentucky(n=65)
0.02168503 Colorado(n=5)
0.02214803 Mississippi(n=22)
0.02215954 Arkansas(n=39)
0.02224242 Maine(n=30)
0.02280899 West_Wirginia(n=43)
0.02306406 Iowa(n=34)
0.02307796 Oregon(n=18)
0.02309602 North_Carolina(n=74)
0.02329764 Alabama(n=73)
0.02343921 Virginia(n=49)
0.02348913 South_Carolina(n=52)
0.02355091 Wyoming(n=5)
0.02367086 New_Hampshire(n=14)
0.02369145 Idaho(n=12)
0.02381237 Indiana(n=57)
0.02389586 Tennessee(n=47)
0.02393882 Georgia(n=50)
0.02483483 Nebraska(n=24)
0.02496772 Texas(n=37)
0.02524873 Washington(n=25)
Target: Birchy
Distance: 1.9192% / 0.01919219
67.2 Utah(n=52)
19.8 Arizona(n=5)
13.0 South_Dakota(n=7)

^^^
Why is everyone using old averages? Updated averages are in the link in the opening post.

[Kestrel]

G25

Distance to: Kestrel_scaled
0.02438109 Louisiana(n=97)
0.02505491 New_Jersey(n=30)
0.02590542 New_York(n=84)
0.03079882 Massachusetts(n=32)
0.03112976 Rhode_Island(n=14)
0.03158799 Connecticut(n=29)
0.03404184 Pennsylvania(n=82)
0.03405839 California(n=60)
0.03408784 Montana(n=5)
0.03449613 Florida(n=28)
0.03582599 Missouri(n=25)
0.03789708 Vermont(n=5)
0.03799991 Texas(n=37)
0.03810648 Kansas(n=20)
0.03813627 Wyoming(n=5)
0.03872669 Washington(n=25)
0.03916393 Ohio(n=51)
0.03949306 Mississippi(n=22)
0.03949554 Virginia(n=87)
0.03955945 West_Wirginia(n=43)
0.03975415 South_Carolina(n=52)
0.03979743 Maine(n=30)
0.03990121 Tennessee(n=47)
0.04008752 North_Carolina(n=74)
0.04048970 Georgia(n=50)


Target: Kestrel_scaled
Distance: 2.3259% / 0.02325949
56.0 Louisiana(n=97)
44.0 New_Jersey(n=30)

lol I figured i'd get Louisiana.

[celticdragongod]

I have a hunch that your common redneck leans much more southern English while hillbillies may have somewhat more northern or Scots-Irish ancestors in their make up.


The most famous hillbillies? Hatfields and McCoys. Hatfield is English.

True. The so-called "Scots-Irish" are mostly descended from Lowland Scots so they would be closely related to Northern English people. But are the "rednecks" more closely related to the southeastern English - who are mostly Anglo-Saxon - or the southwestern English who are largely Insular Celtic?

[celticdragongod]

Well, by reputation they are largely descended from Lowland/Ulster Scots, and by the census they are largely Irish, but when I collected 500+ White Southern gedmatch kits I was surprised by how relatively uncommon genetically Irish/Scottish-like individual results were. Peterski might have noticed the same.

Technically, to be Irish, you just have to be born in Ireland or descended from someone who was born in Ireland. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are Gaelic or Insular Celtic. It is the Highland Scots who are the Gaelic/Insular Celtic ones, not the Lowlanders who would be more Germanic.

[Birchy]

^^^
Why is everyone using old averages? Updated averages are in the link in the opening post.

Distance to: Birchy
4.43478297 Oregon_White(n=18)
4.47543294 North_Carolina_White(n=103)
4.48457356 Alabama_White(n=74)
4.65656526 New_Hampshire_White(n=14)
4.78174654 Kansas_White(n=20)
4.86755585 Mississippi_White(n=54)
4.98936870 Utah_White_with_CEU_1KGP(n=90)
5.03064608 Georgia_White(n=96)
5.07767663 Texas_White(n=97)
5.10718122 Maine_White(n=30)
5.17727728 Montana_White(n=5)
5.19627751 Virginia_White(n=87)
5.26258492 Florida_White(n=28)
5.28533821 South_Carolina_White(n=52)
5.31527045 Missouri_White(n=59)
5.39958332 Tennessee_White(n=95)
5.43637747 Wyoming_White(n=5)
5.47774589 Indiana_White(n=57)
5.48621910 Oklahoma_White(n=27)
5.51205951 Idaho_White(n=12)
5.51632124 West_Virginia_White(n=43)
5.63553014 Kentucky_White(n=130)
5.71870615 California_White(n=60)
5.96216404 Utah_White(n=29)
6.12021241 Arkansas_White(n=40)
Target: Birchy
Distance: 189.9417% / 1.89941665
79.0 Utah_White_with_CEU_1KGP(n=90)
16.2 Gasconian(n=55)
4.8 Latvia_BA(n=10)