Are French people Celtic, Germanic or Latin in DNA?

[Septentrion]

This concerns French people of European ancestry. Please add your knowledge. Thank you. In my opinion, French are equally all those roots.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Obviously a combination of the three in variable proportions depending on the regions. Also a significant paleolithic (basque) admixture, especially in the south-west.

[J. Ketch]

Overwhelmingly Celtic, they plot basically like ancient Gauls.

It remains a mystery though how an ancient population of millions could be so totally Romanised as to wipe out the native Celtic culture without corresponding mass migration and genetic influx from Italy/Southern Europe.

[Birchy]

They’re basically the exact same as the Iron Age Gauls, very little Germanic or Latin influence despite what people say.

[Opie]

Mostly continental Celtic

[cass]

An interesting topic, so I created a model generally based on the 400–200 BC period, with the exception of Eastern European ones. I skipped the English sample because I’m not sure how to assign it.

France_Occitanie_IA2,0.132604,0.138112,0.052985,0. 0240635,0.0500095,0.012411,-0.00141,-0.004269,0.020452,0.0191345,-0.003897,0.0096665,-0.018137,-0.014794,0.019001,0.009613,0.0012385,0.0107685,-0.0076675,-0.0097545,0.003931,0.003215,-0.00684,-0.005121,0.0006585
France_Oise_IA,0.1286203,0.1391273,0.0649903,0.046 2967,0.037648,0.017756,0.0008617,0.0115377,0.01002 2,0.0012757,-0.0020027,0.0038963,-0.0151137,-0.0130743,0.0125313,0.0086187,-0.0032163,0.0019003,-0.0050277,0.0015423,0.0052407,-0.003957,-0.0022593,0.0045387,-0.00471
France_SouthEast_IA2,0.1281648,0.147658,0.0604902, 0.0141474,0.047578,0.0003348,0.001269,0.003923,0.0 194708,0.034333,-0.0003572,0.013548,-0.0187018,-0.0118078,0.010179,0.0011402,-0.0010428,0.0019256,0.0010308,0.0017006,0.0037684, 0.0043276,-0.005768,-0.0018556,-0.0014848
France_HautsDeFrance_IA,0.1200832,0.1406508,0.0578 878,0.036822,0.0409308,0.0128985,-0.0012338,0.0032308,0.0103795,0.0121188,-0.0036942,0.0111275,-0.020032,-0.011629,0.01839,0.0018565,-0.0105938,0.006271,0.004808,-0.001063,0.0060208,0.0064298,0.0030195,0.0006025,0 .001437
France_GrandEst_IA2,0.127994,0.1398384,0.0546637,0 .0330268,0.0421308,0.0097193,0.0031022,0.0036689,0 .0097558,0.0146974,-0.0024846,0.0053728,-0.0131936,-0.0083744,0.0124388,-0.0022274,-0.0107894,0.0017926,0.0030043,-0.0005128,0.0022087,0.0021084,-0.0010352,-0.0024461,0.0002814
France_BasRhin_IA.SG:ERS83-2.SG__BC_250__Cov_20.23%,0.130897,0.15436,0.052043 ,0.012274,0.044931,-0.000837,-0.008225,0.004154,0.019839,0.030798,0.001461,0.005 095,-0.016055,0.004266,0.000407,0.001061,-0.002999,0.008361,-0.002388,-0.002251,0.006489,0.009398,-0.007395,-0.009278,-0.008143
France_Bourgogne-Franche-Comté_Vix_LaTene_IA,0.127482,0.141497,0.054054,0.0 253017,0.046983,0.0069723,-0.0025067,0.0039227,0.0157483,0.0241767,-0.001299,0.0052453,-0.0155103,-0.0034867,0.0060623,-0.00137,-0.006693,0.0024073,-0.000503,-0.0007087,0.004118,0.001525,-0.001438,-0.0022087,0.0020353
France_Aude_IA,0.1324142,0.1474208,0.057448,0.0152 348,0.0529328,0.0024637,-0.0010183,0.0026537,0.0233498,0.0341085,-0.0041407,0.009017,-0.020837,-0.0144047,0.0103825,0.0032707,-0.0017168,0.0023227,0.0026397,-0.0038977,0.0085475,0.0007212,-0.0066963,-0.0037955,-0.0010178
France_Aube_IA,0.1263435,0.142682,0.0697675,0.0332 69,0.051548,0.0124105,0.00752,0.0065765,0.020043,0 .0105695,-0.0113675,0.00577,-0.0158325,-0.017065,0.0173045,0.0014585,-0.011539,0.003991,-0.001194,0.00544,0.0043045,0.010016,-0.0028965,-0.007712,0.004311
France_Aisne_IA,0.129189,0.146744,0.0607165,0.0198 645,0.038161,0.008227,0.005053,0.0008075,0.00767,0 .012665,-0.007795,0.008992,-0.0172445,-0.0008255,0.0122145,0.0059665,0.0021515,-0.0022805,0.015901,-0.001563,0.0039925,0.004699,-0.012941,0.005061,-0.0111965
France_HautRhin_IA,0.126913,0.153853,0.0486485,0.0 20349,0.0524715,0.0154785,0.0058755,-0.0075,0.017998,0.028702,0.0043845,0.003447,-0.0043855,-0.0030965,0.0111965,0.0147835,0.0070405,-0.0013935,0.004651,0.002689,0.0131015,0.0137255,-0.0153445,-0.001928,-0.0026345

Lithuania_North_Šiauliai_Barrows_IA:CGG017688__AD_ 77__Cov_29.03%,0.1161,0.122879,0.093903,0.104329,0 .06155,0.037371,0.00893,0.013153,0.000818,-0.036083,-0.001949,-0.015586,0.021258,0.019818,-0.012893,0.016706,0.033118,-0.008235,-0.004399,0.00963,-0.004118,-0.014962,0.012941,-0.011809,0.002275
Spain_IA,0.1237419,0.1492827,0.0564603,0.0037837,0 .0581649,-0.0057371,-0.0034914,0.0065601,0.0356454,0.0443616,-0.0006961,0.0089491,-0.0247201,-0.0190313,0.0095391,0.0118381,0.010524,-0.003149,0.003735,-0.0004466,0.0054724,-0.002579,-0.0042961,-0.0109997,-0.0008726
Italy_Verona_LIA,0.1247312,0.1482673,0.0487114,0.0 049527,0.0482398,-0.0032538,-0.0022521,0.0028075,0.0207591,0.0328026,-0.0022058,0.0069938,-0.0181118,-0.0079018,0.0036532,-0.0000996,0.0026294,0.0033678,0.0056146,-0.0041792,-0.0013829,0.0025142,-0.0024958,-0.0020886,-0.0017862
Italy_IA_Republic.SG:R435.SG__BC_400__Cov_70.82%,0 .125205,0.146236,0.044877,0.002584,0.046778,0.0061 36,-0.00094,0.004846,0.023929,0.040639,-0.004872,0.009142,-0.020664,-0.015414,0.013708,-0.002254,-0.000652,0.004941,0.004022,-0.003126,0.002496,0.002226,-0.005669,0.000241,-0.003353
Tunisia_Carthage_Punic,0.09553,0.1531999,-0.0022089,-0.0557175,0.0250595,-0.0238451,-0.0038775,-0.0000825,0.0219716,0.0349633,0.0028186,0.0019054,-0.0057341,-0.005672,-0.0067956,-0.002955,0.0019093,0.0017827,0.0016521,-0.0010364,-0.0036899,-0.0015192,0.0007924,-0.0039934,-0.0010264
Poland_Maslomecz_Wielbark_IA.SG(Slavic):PCA0103.SG __AD_194__Cov_74.66%,0.130897,0.131003,0.076178,0. 072029,0.042469,0.021753,0.008695,0.014076,0.00286 3,-0.017495,-0.000974,-0.006894,0.00996,0.01734,-0.003529,-0.011535,-0.013821,-0.005448,0.005531,0.006503,0.005989,0.002226,-0.000123,-0.007471,-0.006347
Netherlands_MIA_LIA.AG,0.131466,0.1310035,0.058076 5,0.0534565,0.0398535,0.016315,0.005875,0.0013845, 0.0054195,0.0011845,0.002111,0.0160355,-0.008474,-0.010184,0.0185255,0.0015915,-0.005085,0.0002535,0.0035195,0.0061905,0.010731,0. 011994,-0.0040675,0.0100015,-0.0076045
Denmark_PreRoman_IA:,0.127536,0.1335179,0.0692824, 0.0626928,0.0438176,0.0208371,0.0050135,0.0088239, 0.0033016,-0.0082354,-0.007841,0.0043534,-0.0061164,-0.0057211,0.019951,0.0057456,-0.0115794,0.0023407,0.0026636,0.005443,0.00675,0.0 041748,0.0001467,0.0095538,-0.0012374

It may be interpreted differently depending on the distance.

[J. Ketch]

They’re basically the exact same as the Iron Age Gauls, very little Germanic or Latin influence despite what people say.

It's possible that large Roman and Germanic influence has cancelled one another out and makes them artificially closer to Gauls than they are. To some extent this is true for the English, being artificially close to ancient Britons despite it being a minority of their ancestry.

[Sylvanas]

Overwhelmingly Celtic, they plot basically like ancient Gauls.

It remains a mystery though how an ancient population of millions could be so totally Romanised as to wipe out the native Celtic culture without corresponding mass migration and genetic influx from Italy/Southern Europe.

I think no one has addressed this before, but France's Iron Age appears to be more Northern shifted than Southern Germany's Iron Age.

The main takeaway from this is the the (relative) Northern shift of the Northern French and the Walloons doesn't require any additional Germanic ancestry. Their own population from the Iron Age has enough "Northerness" to make up for it.

Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA(n=22),0.125723,0.143744,0.051803,0.018396,0.046078,0.003499,0.000299,0.003671,0.014809,0.023881,-0.002768,0.007705,-0.016387,-0.008833,0.003671,0.003646,0.000604,0.001491,0.004257,-0.000682,0.002376,0.003839,0.000482,-0.001117,-0.000354
France_GrandEst_IA1.SG,0.1233842,0.14583,0.0551352,0.0204782,0.0408074,-0.0001672,-0.0033372,0.0064614,0.0155028,0.0165472,-0.0018512,0.0083028,-0.0170664,-0.0113952,0.0121332,0.0041368,-0.0007042,-0.0004816,0.0024134,0.0048274,0.0010484,-0.0005194,-0.009564,-0.0019522,-0.0021074
France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.1270264,0.1470486,0.050308,0.0319124,0.0350218,0.0097054,-0.001504,0.0066458,0.006504,0.014287,-0.0005196,-0.0015286,-0.0125768,-0.0069636,0.0104232,0.000451,-0.0093616,-0.0007856,0.0045002,-0.0015758,-0.0027702,0.0054902,0.002046,-0.0082902,0.0022512
France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG,0.1160995,0.141666,0.0482715,0.038114,0.0460085,0.0161755,-0.0057575,0.004846,0.0114535,0.018406,-0.0021925,0.006594,-0.021184,-0.0124545,0.0109255,0.002917,-0.002021,0.009755,0.007856,-0.003189,0.0010605,0.006121,0.010106,-0.002169,0.0032335
French_Alsace,0.127311,0.140372,0.050317,0.022432,0.038423,0.008911,0.00292,0.004875,0.006852,0.010679,-0.003134,0.004578,-0.009444,-0.00417,0.008561,0.003066,-0.004893,0.002439,0.003243,-0.000716,0.002764,0.001156,-0.001322,0.007137,-0.000314
French_Auvergne,0.125416,0.144656,0.04742,0.012992,0.043472,0.003997,-0.000339,0.002513,0.015407,0.022172,-0.002466,0.007355,-0.013969,-0.009669,0.008299,0.001483,-0.000787,0.001497,0.003073,-0.000213,0.001858,0.003737,-0.002282,0.001816,-8.9e-05
French_Bearn,0.126799,0.144814,0.053589,0.006008,0.053949,0.002175,-0.001692,-0.002054,0.024461,0.039891,-0.008866,0.010236,-0.018999,-0.014327,0.014169,0.001578,-0.005724,-0.000899,-0.001735,-0.003302,0.005465,0.003141,-0.006643,-0.00817,0.000683
French_Bigorre,0.128051,0.147353,0.052269,0.00533,0.052225,-0.000837,-0.001669,0.000162,0.024809,0.03827,-0.003085,0.007883,-0.021481,-0.014148,0.00874,0.000186,-0.003559,0.002369,-0.000892,-0.002914,0.002508,-0.00089,-0.003291,-0.005904,0.00103
French_Chalosse,0.128734,0.14776,0.051892,0.011176,0.051333,0.002761,0.00047,0.001777,0.025259,0.039655,-0.002696,0.008947,-0.020337,-0.015083,0.011088,0.002824,-0.005424,0.001672,-0.000779,-0.002239,0.008273,0.002844,-0.007691,-0.007664,-0.002096
French_Nord,0.128275,0.140543,0.051357,0.025605,0.038273,0.008891,0.001097,0.00442,0.008373,0.012016,-0.003484,0.004033,-0.010861,-0.008182,0.011199,0.002543,-0.004607,0.002227,0.004095,0.001031,0.002133,0.001525,-0.001572,0.007471,1.4e-05
French_Occitanie,0.127039,0.144883,0.048879,0.017908,0.043376,0.003416,0.000522,0.003891,0.014856,0.023589,-0.003288,0.006582,-0.015044,-0.009458,0.010737,0.002567,-0.003709,0.002484,0.001425,4.5e-05,0.003671,0.002446,-0.00255,0.001767,0.000422
French_Paris,0.127171,0.141436,0.050431,0.02399,0.040903,0.009305,0.002799,0.005454,0.011602,0.018174,-0.007706,0.006812,-0.012906,-0.010384,0.01377,0.006063,-0.001825,0.004664,0.002708,-0.000978,0.002201,0.003575,-0.001232,0.011141,-0.001905
French_Pas-de-Calais,0.127861,0.140481,0.054305,0.026809,0.042162,0.012736,0.004152,0.001308,0.008522,0.012453,-0.008011,0.002198,-0.01001,-0.012019,0.013663,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.009982,0.001443,-0.002547,0.005904,-0.001437
French_Provence,0.121925,0.143847,0.036891,0.005358,0.036858,0.00233,0.002267,0.003638,0.010058,0.020453,-0.003869,0.007211,-0.012138,-0.010961,0.005956,0.003174,0.001097,0.002809,0.001775,-0.001515,0.001541,0.002735,0.000355,0.005444,3.5e-05
French_Seine-Maritime,0.136019,0.137096,0.045254,0.029555,0.039084,0.016733,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.001651,0.014251,0.003514,-0.007953,-0.002344,0.000943,-0.005002,0.003931,0.005503,0.000863,0.004278,-0.004491
French_South,0.126181,0.144785,0.049618,0.00886,0.050691,0.002669,0.000269,0.002275,0.02764,0.03866,-0.006774,0.007365,-0.021853,-0.013566,0.010373,0.002765,-0.005104,0.001792,0.000215,0.001912,0.004991,-0.00083,-0.005264,-0.007557,-0.00142
BelgianC,0.126875,0.142987,0.053249,0.023149,0.040582,0.009501,0.00141,0.004738,0.010826,0.014397,-0.003161,0.006314,-0.012269,-0.009303,0.012034,0.001715,-0.004955,0.001098,0.001592,0.000367,0.002729,0.002844,-0.001142,0.009335,-0.001932

[J. Ketch]

I think no one has addressed this before, but France's Iron Age appears to be more Northern shifted than Southern Germany's Iron Age.

The main takeaway from this is the the (relative) Northern shift of the Northern French and the Walloons doesn't require any additional Germanic ancestry. Their own population from the Iron Age has enough "Northerness" to make up for it.

Germany_West-Hallstattkreis_EIA(n=22),0.125723,0.143744,0.051803,0.018396,0.046078,0.003499,0.000299,0.003671,0.014809,0.023881,-0.002768,0.007705,-0.016387,-0.008833,0.003671,0.003646,0.000604,0.001491,0.004257,-0.000682,0.002376,0.003839,0.000482,-0.001117,-0.000354
France_GrandEst_IA1.SG,0.1233842,0.14583,0.0551352,0.0204782,0.0408074,-0.0001672,-0.0033372,0.0064614,0.0155028,0.0165472,-0.0018512,0.0083028,-0.0170664,-0.0113952,0.0121332,0.0041368,-0.0007042,-0.0004816,0.0024134,0.0048274,0.0010484,-0.0005194,-0.009564,-0.0019522,-0.0021074
France_GrandEst_IA2,0.1277096,0.1367916,0.057624,0.0362406,0.0469625,0.0108209,0.005499,0.0028846,0.0085288,0.0121734,-0.0034263,0.0071935,-0.0125322,-0.008794,0.0130562,-0.0031025,-0.0104828,0.0017104,0.0024637,-0.0009129,0.0050038,0.0049585,-0.0013803,-0.0012772,-0.0015806
France_GrandEst_IA2.SG,0.1270264,0.1470486,0.050308,0.0319124,0.0350218,0.0097054,-0.001504,0.0066458,0.006504,0.014287,-0.0005196,-0.0015286,-0.0125768,-0.0069636,0.0104232,0.000451,-0.0093616,-0.0007856,0.0045002,-0.0015758,-0.0027702,0.0054902,0.002046,-0.0082902,0.0022512
France_HautsDeFrance_IA2.SG,0.1160995,0.141666,0.0482715,0.038114,0.0460085,0.0161755,-0.0057575,0.004846,0.0114535,0.018406,-0.0021925,0.006594,-0.021184,-0.0124545,0.0109255,0.002917,-0.002021,0.009755,0.007856,-0.003189,0.0010605,0.006121,0.010106,-0.002169,0.0032335
French_Alsace,0.127311,0.140372,0.050317,0.022432,0.038423,0.008911,0.00292,0.004875,0.006852,0.010679,-0.003134,0.004578,-0.009444,-0.00417,0.008561,0.003066,-0.004893,0.002439,0.003243,-0.000716,0.002764,0.001156,-0.001322,0.007137,-0.000314
French_Auvergne,0.125416,0.144656,0.04742,0.012992,0.043472,0.003997,-0.000339,0.002513,0.015407,0.022172,-0.002466,0.007355,-0.013969,-0.009669,0.008299,0.001483,-0.000787,0.001497,0.003073,-0.000213,0.001858,0.003737,-0.002282,0.001816,-8.9e-05
French_Bearn,0.126799,0.144814,0.053589,0.006008,0.053949,0.002175,-0.001692,-0.002054,0.024461,0.039891,-0.008866,0.010236,-0.018999,-0.014327,0.014169,0.001578,-0.005724,-0.000899,-0.001735,-0.003302,0.005465,0.003141,-0.006643,-0.00817,0.000683
French_Bigorre,0.128051,0.147353,0.052269,0.00533,0.052225,-0.000837,-0.001669,0.000162,0.024809,0.03827,-0.003085,0.007883,-0.021481,-0.014148,0.00874,0.000186,-0.003559,0.002369,-0.000892,-0.002914,0.002508,-0.00089,-0.003291,-0.005904,0.00103
French_Chalosse,0.128734,0.14776,0.051892,0.011176,0.051333,0.002761,0.00047,0.001777,0.025259,0.039655,-0.002696,0.008947,-0.020337,-0.015083,0.011088,0.002824,-0.005424,0.001672,-0.000779,-0.002239,0.008273,0.002844,-0.007691,-0.007664,-0.002096
French_Nord,0.128275,0.140543,0.051357,0.025605,0.038273,0.008891,0.001097,0.00442,0.008373,0.012016,-0.003484,0.004033,-0.010861,-0.008182,0.011199,0.002543,-0.004607,0.002227,0.004095,0.001031,0.002133,0.001525,-0.001572,0.007471,1.4e-05
French_Occitanie,0.127039,0.144883,0.048879,0.017908,0.043376,0.003416,0.000522,0.003891,0.014856,0.023589,-0.003288,0.006582,-0.015044,-0.009458,0.010737,0.002567,-0.003709,0.002484,0.001425,4.5e-05,0.003671,0.002446,-0.00255,0.001767,0.000422
French_Paris,0.127171,0.141436,0.050431,0.02399,0.040903,0.009305,0.002799,0.005454,0.011602,0.018174,-0.007706,0.006812,-0.012906,-0.010384,0.01377,0.006063,-0.001825,0.004664,0.002708,-0.000978,0.002201,0.003575,-0.001232,0.011141,-0.001905
French_Pas-de-Calais,0.127861,0.140481,0.054305,0.026809,0.042162,0.012736,0.004152,0.001308,0.008522,0.012453,-0.008011,0.002198,-0.01001,-0.012019,0.013663,0.008132,-0.000478,0.001816,-0.003645,0.004252,0.009982,0.001443,-0.002547,0.005904,-0.001437
French_Provence,0.121925,0.143847,0.036891,0.005358,0.036858,0.00233,0.002267,0.003638,0.010058,0.020453,-0.003869,0.007211,-0.012138,-0.010961,0.005956,0.003174,0.001097,0.002809,0.001775,-0.001515,0.001541,0.002735,0.000355,0.005444,3.5e-05
French_Seine-Maritime,0.136019,0.137096,0.045254,0.029555,0.039084,0.016733,0.00423,-0.000692,0.003988,0.006014,-0.003735,0.007493,-0.007582,-0.001651,0.014251,0.003514,-0.007953,-0.002344,0.000943,-0.005002,0.003931,0.005503,0.000863,0.004278,-0.004491
French_South,0.126181,0.144785,0.049618,0.00886,0.050691,0.002669,0.000269,0.002275,0.02764,0.03866,-0.006774,0.007365,-0.021853,-0.013566,0.010373,0.002765,-0.005104,0.001792,0.000215,0.001912,0.004991,-0.00083,-0.005264,-0.007557,-0.00142
BelgianC,0.126875,0.142987,0.053249,0.023149,0.040582,0.009501,0.00141,0.004738,0.010826,0.014397,-0.003161,0.006314,-0.012269,-0.009303,0.012034,0.001715,-0.004955,0.001098,0.001592,0.000367,0.002729,0.002844,-0.001142,0.009335,-0.001932

According to the Germanic Y-DNA maps Northern France has a fair amount of Germanic influence, for them to be more Neolithic shifted than Iron Age Gauls I would think implies a non-trivial Roman genetic influence.

[Peterski]

According to Eupedia France has over 20% of I1-M253, R1b-U106, R1b-L238, R1a and Q haplogroups.
Which I counted as Germanic in my datasheet (link below), but maybe Ancient Gauls already had it?:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing