Just for fun: Germanic or Slavic?

**celticdragongod** · 04-06-2026, 09:22 AM

Code:

German_North,0.1302,0.1341,0.0612,0.0435,0.0412,0.0165,0.0051,0.0084,0.0062,0.0021,-0.0041,0.0051,-0.0121,-0.0082,0.0182,0.0021,-0.0124,0.0012,0.0062,0.0041,0.0012,0.0021,0.0062,0.0142,-0.0021
Norwegian,0.1324,0.1312,0.0682,0.0562,0.0392,0.0242,0.0062,0.0124,0.0082,-0.0012,-0.0052,0.0062,-0.0152,-0.0102,0.0222,-0.0022,-0.0162,0,0.0082,0.0072,-0.0012,0,0.0092,0.0182,-0.0002
German_East,0.1282,0.1262,0.0582,0.0382,0.0362,0.0142,0.0042,0.0072,0.0052,0.0032,-0.0032,0.0042,-0.0112,-0.0072,0.0152,0.0012,-0.0102,0.0022,0.0052,0.0032,0,0.0012,0.0052,0.0122,-0.0012
Danish,0.1312,0.1322,0.0652,0.0522,0.0402,0.0212,0.0052,0.0102,0.0072,0,-0.0042,0.0052,-0.0142,-0.0092,0.0202,0,-0.0142,0,0.0072,0.0052,-0.0012,0.0012,0.0082,0.0162,-0.0012
Polish,0.1302,0.1242,0.0662,0.0582,0.0382,0.0222,0.0082,0.0122,0.0042,-0.0182,0.0022,-0.0062,0.0122,0.0182,-0.0122,0.0042,0.0082,0,0.0022,0.0062,0.0042,-0.0022,0.0042,-0.0082,-0.0022
Germanic_Saxon (Medieval),0.1310,0.1330,0.0650,0.0520,0.0400,0.0210,0.0050,0.0100,0.0070,0.0000,-0.0040,0.0050,-0.0140,-0.0090,0.0200,0.0000,-0.0140,0.0000,0.0070,0.0050,-0.0010,0.0010,0.0080,0.0160,-0.0010
Viking_Age_Scandinavia,0.1320,0.1310,0.0680,0.0560,0.0390,0.0240,0.0060,0.0120,0.0080,-0.0010,-0.0050,0.0060,-0.0150,-0.0100,0.0220,-0.0020,-0.0160,0.0000,0.0080,0.0070,-0.0010,0.0000,0.0090,0.0180,0.0000
Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval,0.1302,0.1242,0.0662,0.0582,0.0382,0.0222,0.0082,0.0122,0.0042,-0.0182,0.0022,-0.0062,0.0122,0.0182,-0.0122,0.0042,0.0082,0.0000,0.0022,0.0062,0.0042,-0.0022,0.0042,-0.0082,-0.0022
Avar_Slav_Hungary,0.1280,0.1260,0.0580,0.0380,0.0360,0.0140,0.0040,0.0070,0.0050,0.0030,-0.0030,0.0040,-0.0110,-0.0070,0.0150,0.0010,-0.0100,0.0020,0.0050,0.0030,0.0000,0.0010,0.0050,0.0120,-0.0010
Celtic_Iron_Age,0.1290,0.1350,0.0560,0.0350,0.0400,0.0150,0.0030,0.0060,0.0070,0.0110,-0.0050,0.0060,-0.0130,-0.0110,0.0150,0.0030,-0.0090,0.0020,0.0040,0.0030,0.0040,0.0020,-0.0010,0.0080,0.0010

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.00682272 Germanic_Saxon(Medieval)
0.00717999 Danish
0.01113921 German_North
0.01222904 Viking_Age_Scandinavia
0.01270525 Norwegian
0.02039149 German_East
0.02106232 Avar_Slav_Hungary
0.02650078 Celtic_Iron_Age
0.06763853 Polish
0.06763853 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.5676% / 0.00567643
48.4 Norwegian
47.4 German_North
4.2 Celtic_Iron_Age

**Fistora** · 04-06-2026, 09:59 AM

Something is off with Avar slav hungary and East German samples, Here are real ones:

Code:

Hungary_Avar_5:AV1__AD_590__Cov_71.11%,0.130897,0.13405,0.064488,0.051034,0.038776,0.028168,0.010105,0.008769,0.00634,-0.014214,0.001786,-0.009292,0.005203,0.018029,-0.012351,0.00411,0.000261,-0.000507,0.00088,0.003752,-0.000499,-0.000866,0.00986,-0.004097,0.003712
Hungary_Avar_5:Av2__AD_602__Cov_68.59%,0.135449,0.128972,0.080704,0.063954,0.034776,0.034025,0.006815,0.007615,0.009613,-0.02041,-0.001461,-0.005245,0.010852,0.026561,-0.014658,-0.002254,0.002347,0.001267,0.01081,-0.001751,0.001622,-0.002844,0.009613,-0.008314,0.005389

Code:

German_East_(n=14),0.13049014,0.13404979,0.068258857,0.051080143,0.038073,0.020458429,0.0055225,0.012625929,0.0043680714,-0.008461,-0.0029228571,-0.0021517143,0.0006265,0.0018187143,0.0065825714,0.0030022857,-0.0027194286,-0.0014387857,0.0061950714,0.0049935,0.0044565,0.00018542857,0.003944,0.0051469286,0.000034285714

Code:

Polish_(n=60),0.13165538,0.12941227,0.06963535,0.058150767,0.039945817,0.02263665,0.0088715333,0.010453383,-0.0006102,-0.018023067,-0.0037511667,-0.0064592167,0.013042483,0.018595183,-0.00714795,-0.00064746667,0.0020318333,-0.00038215,0.0028763333,0.00095253333,-0.0036581333,-0.00310165,0.0054413667,-0.0028658167,-0.00015365
Czechia_Medieval:I20515__AD_941__Cov_25.47%,0.124067,0.132019,0.06675,0.08075,0.046778,0.031794,0.009165,0.010846,0.002863,-0.031162,-0.003735,-0.015286,0.019177,0.018029,-0.017372,-0.00716,0.004303,0.000633,-0.006913,0.004752,-0.010232,0.002226,0.005793,-0.003012,0.002275

Better slavic source:

Code:

Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36),0.1289046,0.1255025,0.0766078,0.0709792,0.0410247,0.0252861,0.0067696,0.0129931,-0.0002898,-0.025999,-0.0019983,-0.009579,0.0186445,0.0224095,-0.0092893,0.0023976,0.0061498,-0.0001653,0.0028421,0.0016779,-0.0030051,-0.0057155,0.0079871,-0.0061453,0.0009846
Slavic,0.128500,0.125765,0.070740,0.060180,0.036282,0.022722,0.008770,0.014586,-0.002422,-0.021216,-0.000838,-0.009962,0.015828,0.020520,-0.012765,0.000649,0.005016,-0.001420,-0.000139,0.004417,-0.002627,-0.005141,0.008588,-0.004414,-0.001595

**tk'es** · 04-06-2026, 10:05 AM

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 3.4753% / 0.03475315
81.4 NorthCaucasus
14.6 Viking_Age_Scandinavia
4.0 Caucasus

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 3.4799% / 0.03479886 | ADC: 0.25x RC
85.8 NorthCaucasus
14.2 Norwegian

Target: tk'es_scaled
Distance: 3.4799% / 0.03479886 | ADC: 0.5x RC
85.8 NorthCaucasus
14.2 Norwegian

**gixajo** · 04-06-2026, 10:20 AM

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.5997% / 0.05599674
100.0 Celtic_Iron_Age
0.0 Avar_Slav_Hungary
0.0 Danish
0.0 German_East
0.0 German_North
0.0 Germanic_Saxon(Medieval)
0.0 Norwegian
0.0 Polish
0.0 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval
0.0 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

Adding this one:

Code:

Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859),0.1266281,0.1500442,0.0536925,0.009367,0.0615882,0.0008018,-0.0002642,0.001298,0.0329539,0.0443061,-0.006922,0.0065942,-0.0253839,-0.0158436,0.0088559,0.0063976,0.0032759,-0.0015676,-0.0037554,-0.0013288,0.0072841,-0.0016384,-0.0084116,-0.0136164,-0.0001798

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8343% / 0.02834333
76.0 Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859)
24.0 Avar_Slav_Hungary

Strange...

**gixajo** · 04-06-2026, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Fistora

Something is off with Avar slav hungary and East German samples, Here are real ones:

Better slavic source:

Code:

Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36),0.1289046,0.1255025,0.0766078,0.0709792,0.0410247,0.0252861,0.0067696,0.0129931,-0.0002898,-0.025999,-0.0019983,-0.009579,0.0186445,0.0224095,-0.0092893,0.0023976,0.0061498,-0.0001653,0.0028421,0.0016779,-0.0030051,-0.0057155,0.0079871,-0.0061453,0.0009846

I trust your reference more, and I remove that German_East reference too.

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8825% / 0.02882470
72.4 Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859)
27.6 Celtic_Iron_Age

**celticdragongod** · 04-06-2026, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Fistora

Something is off with Avar slav hungary and East German samples, Here are real ones:

Code:

Hungary_Avar_5:AV1__AD_590__Cov_71.11%,0.130897,0.13405,0.064488,0.051034,0.038776,0.028168,0.010105,0.008769,0.00634,-0.014214,0.001786,-0.009292,0.005203,0.018029,-0.012351,0.00411,0.000261,-0.000507,0.00088,0.003752,-0.000499,-0.000866,0.00986,-0.004097,0.003712
Hungary_Avar_5:Av2__AD_602__Cov_68.59%,0.135449,0.128972,0.080704,0.063954,0.034776,0.034025,0.006815,0.007615,0.009613,-0.02041,-0.001461,-0.005245,0.010852,0.026561,-0.014658,-0.002254,0.002347,0.001267,0.01081,-0.001751,0.001622,-0.002844,0.009613,-0.008314,0.005389

Code:

German_East_(n=14),0.13049014,0.13404979,0.068258857,0.051080143,0.038073,0.020458429,0.0055225,0.012625929,0.0043680714,-0.008461,-0.0029228571,-0.0021517143,0.0006265,0.0018187143,0.0065825714,0.0030022857,-0.0027194286,-0.0014387857,0.0061950714,0.0049935,0.0044565,0.00018542857,0.003944,0.0051469286,0.000034285714

Code:

Polish_(n=60),0.13165538,0.12941227,0.06963535,0.058150767,0.039945817,0.02263665,0.0088715333,0.010453383,-0.0006102,-0.018023067,-0.0037511667,-0.0064592167,0.013042483,0.018595183,-0.00714795,-0.00064746667,0.0020318333,-0.00038215,0.0028763333,0.00095253333,-0.0036581333,-0.00310165,0.0054413667,-0.0028658167,-0.00015365
Czechia_Medieval:I20515__AD_941__Cov_25.47%,0.124067,0.132019,0.06675,0.08075,0.046778,0.031794,0.009165,0.010846,0.002863,-0.031162,-0.003735,-0.015286,0.019177,0.018029,-0.017372,-0.00716,0.004303,0.000633,-0.006913,0.004752,-0.010232,0.002226,0.005793,-0.003012,0.002275

Better slavic source:

Code:

Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36),0.1289046,0.1255025,0.0766078,0.0709792,0.0410247,0.0252861,0.0067696,0.0129931,-0.0002898,-0.025999,-0.0019983,-0.009579,0.0186445,0.0224095,-0.0092893,0.0023976,0.0061498,-0.0001653,0.0028421,0.0016779,-0.0030051,-0.0057155,0.0079871,-0.0061453,0.0009846
Slavic,0.128500,0.125765,0.070740,0.060180,0.036282,0.022722,0.008770,0.014586,-0.002422,-0.021216,-0.000838,-0.009962,0.015828,0.020520,-0.012765,0.000649,0.005016,-0.001420,-0.000139,0.004417,-0.002627,-0.005141,0.008588,-0.004414,-0.001595

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03302561 German_East_(n=14)
0.05983654 Hungary_Avar_5:AV1__AD_590__Cov_71.11%
0.06181957 Polish_(n=60)
0.07105978 Slavic
0.07483820 Hungary_Avar_5:Av2__AD_602__Cov_68.59%
0.07697193 Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36)
0.08575308 Czechia_Medieval:I20515__AD_941__Cov_25.47%

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 3.3026% / 0.03302561
100.0 German_East_(n=14)

**celticdragongod** · 04-06-2026, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 5.5997% / 0.05599674
100.0 Celtic_Iron_Age
0.0 Avar_Slav_Hungary
0.0 Danish
0.0 German_East
0.0 German_North
0.0 Germanic_Saxon(Medieval)
0.0 Norwegian
0.0 Polish
0.0 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval
0.0 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

Adding this one:

Code:

Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859),0.1266281,0.1500442,0.0536925,0.009367,0.0615882,0.0008018,-0.0002642,0.001298,0.0329539,0.0443061,-0.006922,0.0065942,-0.0253839,-0.0158436,0.0088559,0.0063976,0.0032759,-0.0015676,-0.0037554,-0.0013288,0.0072841,-0.0016384,-0.0084116,-0.0136164,-0.0001798

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.8343% / 0.02834333
76.0 Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859)
24.0 Avar_Slav_Hungary

Strange...

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.00682272 Germanic_Saxon(Medieval)
0.00717999 Danish
0.01113921 German_North
0.01222904 Viking_Age_Scandinavia
0.01270525 Norwegian
0.02039149 German_East
0.02106232 Avar_Slav_Hungary
0.02650078 Celtic_Iron_Age
0.06763853 Polish
0.06763853 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval
0.08712957 Spain_LBA(BC_1150-859)

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 0.5676% / 0.00567643
48.4 Norwegian
47.4 German_North
4.2 Celtic_Iron_Age

**gixajo** · 04-06-2026, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by celticdragongod

Distance to: CDG_scaled

Difficult for you to score something else in a datasheet that has at least 8 NW Eruopean references.

And with just one?

Code:

Baltic_EIA,0.13156,0.117632,0.096354,0.09511,0.047919,0.035408,0.011036,0.013441,0.000997,-0.04032,-0.001204,-0.015936,0.028084,0.025128,-0.007685,0.00258,0.005873,-0.002138,0.003032,0.010833,0.000354,-0.003076,0.005351,-0.013737,-0.000544
Spain_LBA-EIA,0.125917,0.148902,0.060316,0.01074,0.06103,0.002702,-0.001425,0.002668,0.029566,0.039101,-0.003583,0.008055,-0.020943,-0.012326,0.009314,0.002569,-0.003349,-0.000942,-0.000621,-0.002978,0.007885,0.001067,-0.007379,-0.011989,-0.003712
Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA,0.131679,0.129544,0.063073,0.053396,0.034506,0.018372,0.001851,0.004947,0.001201,0.000342,-0.004344,0.007774,-0.013862,-0.017082,0.022886,0.01514,-0.005623,0.001639,0.003032,0.002673,0.006005,0.005016,0.001957,0.006755,-0.00333
Greece_LBA-EIA,0.121648,0.163627,-0.003677,-0.057938,0.027928,-0.029423,-0.004142,-0.007211,0.01672,0.040638,0.005278,0.009329,-0.017802,-0.001135,-0.019442,0.000116,0.018857,0.000618,0.01136,-0.003142,-0.015644,0.003308,-0.001864,0.00961,0.001586

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0727% / 0.02072727
63.0 Spain_LBA-EIA
20.6 Greece_LBA-EIA
16.4 Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA

**Figaro** · 04-06-2026, 12:28 PM

Target: Figaro
Distance: 1.7178% / 0.01717848
70.0 Avar_Slav_Hungary
16.4 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval
13.6 Polish

Distance to: Figaro
0.02485670 German_East_(n=14)
0.03039638 German_North
0.03354415 Celtic_Iron_Age
0.03458433 Germanic_Saxon(Medieval)
0.03501109 Danish
0.03946366 Hungary_Avar_5:AV1__AD_590__Cov_71.11%
0.03956471 Viking_Age_Scandinavia
0.04022382 Norwegian
0.04214089 Polish_(n=60)
0.04689875 Polish
0.04689875 Slavic_Bohemia_Medieval
0.05038951 Slavic
0.05860915 Hungary_Avar_5:Av2__AD_602__Cov_68.59%
0.06007159 Wielkopolska_Medieval(n=36)
0.07173555 Czechia_Medieval:I20515__AD_941__Cov_25.47%

**celticdragongod** · 04-06-2026, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by gixajo

Difficult for you to score something else in a datasheet that has at least 8 NW Eruopean references.

And with just one?

Code:

Baltic_EIA,0.13156,0.117632,0.096354,0.09511,0.047919,0.035408,0.011036,0.013441,0.000997,-0.04032,-0.001204,-0.015936,0.028084,0.025128,-0.007685,0.00258,0.005873,-0.002138,0.003032,0.010833,0.000354,-0.003076,0.005351,-0.013737,-0.000544
Spain_LBA-EIA,0.125917,0.148902,0.060316,0.01074,0.06103,0.002702,-0.001425,0.002668,0.029566,0.039101,-0.003583,0.008055,-0.020943,-0.012326,0.009314,0.002569,-0.003349,-0.000942,-0.000621,-0.002978,0.007885,0.001067,-0.007379,-0.011989,-0.003712
Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA,0.131679,0.129544,0.063073,0.053396,0.034506,0.018372,0.001851,0.004947,0.001201,0.000342,-0.004344,0.007774,-0.013862,-0.017082,0.022886,0.01514,-0.005623,0.001639,0.003032,0.002673,0.006005,0.005016,0.001957,0.006755,-0.00333
Greece_LBA-EIA,0.121648,0.163627,-0.003677,-0.057938,0.027928,-0.029423,-0.004142,-0.007211,0.01672,0.040638,0.005278,0.009329,-0.017802,-0.001135,-0.019442,0.000116,0.018857,0.000618,0.01136,-0.003142,-0.015644,0.003308,-0.001864,0.00961,0.001586

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.0727% / 0.02072727
63.0 Spain_LBA-EIA
20.6 Greece_LBA-EIA
16.4 Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.02758303 Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA
0.07859039 Spain_LBA-EIA
0.10683719 Baltic_EIA
0.15713021 Greece_LBA-EIA

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.5871% / 0.02587061
84.2 Wales&Scotland_LBA-EIA
6.8 Baltic_EIA
4.6 Greece_LBA-EIA
4.4 Spain_LBA-EIA