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    0.01926622 WBI:England_IA
    0.02276608 CNE:Anglo-Saxon
    0.04750806 France_IA

    Target: bc76
    Distance: 1.9006% / 0.01900575
    79.8 WBI
    20.2 CNE
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    Target: Waylander_scaled
    Distance: 2.0937% / 0.02093688
    41.8 CNE
    29.8 France_IA
    28.4 WBI

    Distance to: Waylander_scaled
    0.02308892 WBI:England_IA
    0.02807749 CNE:Anglo-Saxon
    0.03837059 France_IA
    Y-DNA: I-L22 I-FGC28756 (Unfortunately no close matches)
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    Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    0.02467288 WBI:England_IA
    0.03174570 CNE:Anglo-Saxon
    0.03528600 France_IA

    Target: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    Distance: 0.0215% / 0.02146565
    46.5 WBI
    34.3 France_IA
    19.2 CNE

    Distance to: Gannicus_MergedFile_officialDavidski_scaled
    0.02160648 70.00% WBI:England_IA + 30.00% France_IA
    0.02197200 54.60% CNE:Anglo-Saxon + 45.40% France_IA

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    I would be WBI in the majority but allelle frequencies are similar between Insular Celts and Germanics. You need IBD to tell them apart.

    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0524% / 0.02052442
    66.0 CNE
    34.0 WBI
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    I would be WBI in the majority but allelle frequencies are similar between Insular Celts and Germanics. You need IBD to tell them apart.

    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0524% / 0.02052442
    66.0 CNE
    34.0 WBI
    Not sure if I have posted the following calculator previously but I find that it works pretty well for me. Hopefully it will work for you if you choose to give it a shot.

    Code:
    English,0.126344,0.134558,0.060151,0.046512,0.038469,0.01757,0.003995,0.007615,0.004909,0.00164,0.001299,0.005395,-0.010109,-0.009496,0.017915,0.002121,-0.013299,0.00228,0.003771,0.002751,0.005116,0.001484,-0.001356,0.009037,0.000359
    Scottish,0.127482,0.132019,0.061848,0.04845,0.037545,0.021196,0.00423,0.007154,0.005113,0.001093,-0.003897,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.010459,0.021037,0.003978,-0.011734,0.001394,0.002514,0.003502,0.004243,0.000989,-0.001109,0.01205,0.001197
    Irish,0.129759,0.131003,0.063356,0.05168,0.039084,0.020638,0.0047,0.006692,0.00409,0.000729,-0.004547,0.004946,-0.012933,-0.009358,0.022937,0.004641,-0.012647,0.0019,0.004022,0.003752,0.005366,0.001237,0.000616,0.014098,0.001317
    Dutch,0.126344,0.132019,0.061094,0.046835,0.039392,0.019523,0.005405,0.007615,0.0045,0.001276,-0.002436,0.004346,-0.011596,-0.009358,0.018594,0.003978,-0.008475,0.002027,0.005028,0.004377,0.005116,0.002473,-0.000246,0.010242,0.001437
    Danish,0.12862,0.131003,0.067882,0.055879,0.039392,0.020359,0.00846,0.010153,0.006749,-0.002187,-0.006008,0.003447,-0.012785,-0.006881,0.017915,0.012066,-0.002608,0.002407,0.005405,0.009505,0.00549,0.00408,0.003204,0.011688,0.000599
    Norwegian,0.12862,0.126941,0.071276,0.061047,0.040623,0.024263,0.008225,0.009461,0.004909,-0.006925,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.010555,-0.008257,0.020222,0.012596,-0.001956,0.003167,0.004399,0.01013,0.008235,0.003586,0.004437,0.015183,0.001916
    French_Nord,0.125205,0.139128,0.053174,0.031977,0.037545,0.012829,0.002115,0.003692,0.007567,0.012939,0.000162,0.004946,-0.011001,-0.010184,0.011129,-0.000265,-0.01004,0.003041,0.004651,-0.00075,0.001996,0.00235,0.002095,0.004097,0.000599
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01559385 Irish
    0.01683442 Scottish
    0.01840350 Dutch
    0.01931093 English
    0.02428820 Danish
    0.03026902 Norwegian
    0.03352384 French_Nord

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5066% / 0.01506614
    86.2 Irish
    12.0 French_Nord
    1.8 Danish

    Or you can try this calculator if you want to try older samples:

    Code:
    Viking_Age_Scandinavia,0.126435,0.12882,0.069796,0.057106,0.04068,0.021948,0.007576,0.009363,0.005118,-0.003923,-0.005517,0.00373,-0.009943,-0.008432,0.019554,0.009312,-0.005952,0.00269,0.004815,0.007626,0.004845,0.003444,0.00223,0.011664,0.000624
    Continental_Saxon,0.12879,0.133238,0.063469,0.049484,0.040992,0.019187,0.005476,0.007823,0.004581,0.000492,-0.003508,0.004481,-0.009306,-0.008945,0.018784,0.006497,-0.007536,0.001698,0.004726,0.005403,0.005141,0.002597,0.001085,0.011387,0.001293
    Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age,0.130985,0.133465,0.062024,0.04958,0.039216,0.019918,0.004062,0.005538,0.004745,0.002679,-0.00492,0.005177,-0.012543,-0.011037,0.021973,0.004667,-0.013586,0.002422,0.003457,0.003489,0.005166,0.001607,-0.000419,0.014267,0.001389
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01552040 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    0.01782920 Continental_Saxon
    0.02408366 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5451% / 0.01545060
    85.8 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    14.2 Continental_Saxon

    Here is one with even older samples:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031,0.133173,0.133034,0.063733,0.053941,0.040007,0.021196,0.003995,0.007615,0.001636,0.000182,0.003897,0.004496,-0.013677,-0.010459,0.019544,0.00305,0.001173,0.00038,0.003142,0.001376,0.007237,0.002844,0.002835,0.011809,0.002515
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542,0.129758,0.129988,0.069767,0.061693,0.040931,0.024263,0.008695,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006743,-0.004547,0.004796,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019815,0.011668,-0.001304,0.003167,0.005028,0.008629,0.007861,0.004204,0.003574,0.01458,0.002036
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.02402146 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031
    0.02909602 Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5854% / 0.01585429
    51.2 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    37.2 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    8.0 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    3.6 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031

    And here is one if you want to check if you have any Roman ancestry:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Denmark_VK286,0.134311,0.117801,0.065619,0.05814,0.048317,0.014223,0.003995,0.005769,0.005522,-0.000547,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.000446,-0.009083,0.012486,0.007425,0.002868,-0.000127,0.00176,0.004752,0.010981,0.006801,0.001725,0.011327,-0.007424
    Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116,0.103579,0.151314,-0.032809,-0.0688,0.001539,-0.025658,-0.004935,-0.002538,0.016362,0.044283,0.006496,0.008992,-0.014271,-0.000826,-0.015201,-0.004243,0.00691,0.000507,0.002388,-0.01063,-0.003244,0.005193,-0.003328,-0.000723,-0.003353
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.03886805 Viking_Denmark_VK286
    0.18019418 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5804% / 0.01580409
    77.6 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    14.4 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    6.8 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    1.2 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Or if you want to see if you are related to the British Celts of Roman times:

    Code:
    Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1,0.129758,0.132019,0.061471,0.04845,0.038469,0.018407,0.004465,0.007154,0.003477,0.001093,-0.002111,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.008395,0.018458,0.005171,-0.01004,0.00152,0.003771,0.004252,0.006489,0.001607,-0.000986,0.011447,0.001197
    Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14,0.130896,0.126941,0.06939,0.060724,0.041546,0.021475,0.00611,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006196,-0.004872,0.004346,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019544,0.011403,-0.002217,0.003167,0.004651,0.00913,0.007112,0.00408,0.004314,0.014219,0.001916
    York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18,0.129758,0.136081,0.062599,0.049419,0.038161,0.019523,0.00423,0.005769,0.005318,0.001458,-0.004547,0.005545,-0.013528,-0.011147,0.021172,0.00411,-0.01369,0.002027,0.003268,0.003252,0.004866,0.001731,-0.00037,0.013978,0.001437
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01502511 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    0.01761915 Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1
    0.02774370 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.4932% / 0.01493242
    93.4 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    6.6 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14
    Last edited by celticdragongod; 04-18-2026 at 12:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticdragongod View Post
    Not sure if I have posted the following calculator previously but I find that it works pretty well for me. Hopefully it will work for you if you choose to give it a shot.

    Code:
    English,0.126344,0.134558,0.060151,0.046512,0.038469,0.01757,0.003995,0.007615,0.004909,0.00164,0.001299,0.005395,-0.010109,-0.009496,0.017915,0.002121,-0.013299,0.00228,0.003771,0.002751,0.005116,0.001484,-0.001356,0.009037,0.000359
    Scottish,0.127482,0.132019,0.061848,0.04845,0.037545,0.021196,0.00423,0.007154,0.005113,0.001093,-0.003897,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.010459,0.021037,0.003978,-0.011734,0.001394,0.002514,0.003502,0.004243,0.000989,-0.001109,0.01205,0.001197
    Irish,0.129759,0.131003,0.063356,0.05168,0.039084,0.020638,0.0047,0.006692,0.00409,0.000729,-0.004547,0.004946,-0.012933,-0.009358,0.022937,0.004641,-0.012647,0.0019,0.004022,0.003752,0.005366,0.001237,0.000616,0.014098,0.001317
    Dutch,0.126344,0.132019,0.061094,0.046835,0.039392,0.019523,0.005405,0.007615,0.0045,0.001276,-0.002436,0.004346,-0.011596,-0.009358,0.018594,0.003978,-0.008475,0.002027,0.005028,0.004377,0.005116,0.002473,-0.000246,0.010242,0.001437
    Danish,0.12862,0.131003,0.067882,0.055879,0.039392,0.020359,0.00846,0.010153,0.006749,-0.002187,-0.006008,0.003447,-0.012785,-0.006881,0.017915,0.012066,-0.002608,0.002407,0.005405,0.009505,0.00549,0.00408,0.003204,0.011688,0.000599
    Norwegian,0.12862,0.126941,0.071276,0.061047,0.040623,0.024263,0.008225,0.009461,0.004909,-0.006925,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.010555,-0.008257,0.020222,0.012596,-0.001956,0.003167,0.004399,0.01013,0.008235,0.003586,0.004437,0.015183,0.001916
    French_Nord,0.125205,0.139128,0.053174,0.031977,0.037545,0.012829,0.002115,0.003692,0.007567,0.012939,0.000162,0.004946,-0.011001,-0.010184,0.011129,-0.000265,-0.01004,0.003041,0.004651,-0.00075,0.001996,0.00235,0.002095,0.004097,0.000599
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01559385 Irish
    0.01683442 Scottish
    0.01840350 Dutch
    0.01931093 English
    0.02428820 Danish
    0.03026902 Norwegian
    0.03352384 French_Nord

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5066% / 0.01506614
    86.2 Irish
    12.0 French_Nord
    1.8 Danish

    Or you can try this calculator if you want to try older samples:

    Code:
    Viking_Age_Scandinavia,0.126435,0.12882,0.069796,0.057106,0.04068,0.021948,0.007576,0.009363,0.005118,-0.003923,-0.005517,0.00373,-0.009943,-0.008432,0.019554,0.009312,-0.005952,0.00269,0.004815,0.007626,0.004845,0.003444,0.00223,0.011664,0.000624
    Continental_Saxon,0.12879,0.133238,0.063469,0.049484,0.040992,0.019187,0.005476,0.007823,0.004581,0.000492,-0.003508,0.004481,-0.009306,-0.008945,0.018784,0.006497,-0.007536,0.001698,0.004726,0.005403,0.005141,0.002597,0.001085,0.011387,0.001293
    Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age,0.130985,0.133465,0.062024,0.04958,0.039216,0.019918,0.004062,0.005538,0.004745,0.002679,-0.00492,0.005177,-0.012543,-0.011037,0.021973,0.004667,-0.013586,0.002422,0.003457,0.003489,0.005166,0.001607,-0.000419,0.014267,0.001389
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01552040 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    0.01782920 Continental_Saxon
    0.02408366 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5451% / 0.01545060
    85.8 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    14.2 Continental_Saxon

    Here is one with even older samples:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031,0.133173,0.133034,0.063733,0.053941,0.040007,0.021196,0.003995,0.007615,0.001636,0.000182,0.003897,0.004496,-0.013677,-0.010459,0.019544,0.00305,0.001173,0.00038,0.003142,0.001376,0.007237,0.002844,0.002835,0.011809,0.002515
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542,0.129758,0.129988,0.069767,0.061693,0.040931,0.024263,0.008695,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006743,-0.004547,0.004796,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019815,0.011668,-0.001304,0.003167,0.005028,0.008629,0.007861,0.004204,0.003574,0.01458,0.002036
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.02402146 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031
    0.02909602 Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5854% / 0.01585429
    51.2 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    37.2 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    8.0 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    3.6 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031

    And here is one if you want to check if you have any Roman ancestry:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Denmark_VK286,0.134311,0.117801,0.065619,0.05814,0.048317,0.014223,0.003995,0.005769,0.005522,-0.000547,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.000446,-0.009083,0.012486,0.007425,0.002868,-0.000127,0.00176,0.004752,0.010981,0.006801,0.001725,0.011327,-0.007424
    Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116,0.103579,0.151314,-0.032809,-0.0688,0.001539,-0.025658,-0.004935,-0.002538,0.016362,0.044283,0.006496,0.008992,-0.014271,-0.000826,-0.015201,-0.004243,0.00691,0.000507,0.002388,-0.01063,-0.003244,0.005193,-0.003328,-0.000723,-0.003353
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.03886805 Viking_Denmark_VK286
    0.18019418 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5804% / 0.01580409
    77.6 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    14.4 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    6.8 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    1.2 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Or if you want to see if you are related to the British Celts of Roman times:

    Code:
    Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1,0.129758,0.132019,0.061471,0.04845,0.038469,0.018407,0.004465,0.007154,0.003477,0.001093,-0.002111,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.008395,0.018458,0.005171,-0.01004,0.00152,0.003771,0.004252,0.006489,0.001607,-0.000986,0.011447,0.001197
    Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14,0.130896,0.126941,0.06939,0.060724,0.041546,0.021475,0.00611,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006196,-0.004872,0.004346,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019544,0.011403,-0.002217,0.003167,0.004651,0.00913,0.007112,0.00408,0.004314,0.014219,0.001916
    York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18,0.129758,0.136081,0.062599,0.049419,0.038161,0.019523,0.00423,0.005769,0.005318,0.001458,-0.004547,0.005545,-0.013528,-0.011147,0.021172,0.00411,-0.01369,0.002027,0.003268,0.003252,0.004866,0.001731,-0.00037,0.013978,0.001437
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01502511 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    0.01761915 Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1
    0.02774370 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.4932% / 0.01493242
    93.4 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    6.6 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14
    Thanks CDG. Here are my results with all the calculators you have posted.


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0402% / 0.02040218
    82.6 Irish
    17.4 Danish


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0186% / 0.02018641
    79.6 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    20.4 Viking_Age_Scandinavia


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9952% / 0.01995161
    59.4 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge
    16.2 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge
    13.6 Viking_Dublin_Ireland
    10.8 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9754% / 0.01975394
    85.0 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge
    14.4 Viking_Denmark_VK286
    0.6 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge

    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9741% / 0.01974067
    73.4 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    26.6 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    I asked G25 about these results and not that I take the responses as absolutely correct because I still would prefer some more in-depth analysis by Geneticists and also would prefer to have more actual Gaelic samples which are a bit lacking. In short AI says I'm an Irish person with a Scandinavian pull. This is what Davidski said about my results years ago when he looked at my 23&Me raw data. However having been interested in genetics now for years I still think these calculators over estimate the Scandinavian result.

    I would like to see some dna studies from Ireland in the medieval period looking at the influence of Vikings in Ireland using ancient genomes. I've read a few years ago that Trinity College and Dr Lara Cassidy were looking at this period in Ireland but I have no clue as to when they are going to publish.

    Here's what AI said.

    These G25 results for "Grace_scaled" indicate an individual with a genetic profile centered in the British Isles, characterized by a strong foundation of indigenous Iron Age/Insular Celtic ancestry heavily influenced by later Scandinavian (Viking/Danish) migrations.
    Here is a breakdown of what the different models tell us:
    1. Core Ancestry: The "Insular" Foundation
    Across almost every model, the largest components are indigenous to the British Isles:
    Pict/Insular Celt/Gaelic: The results consistently show a high percentage (ranging from ~60% to 85%) of ancestry related to Iron Age Britain and Ireland.
    Regional Specifics: The mention of "Pict_Lundin_Links" and "Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge" specifically points toward roots in Scotland and Ireland.
    2. The Germanic/Scandinavian Influence
    The second-largest component in every model is Northern European/Germanic:
    Viking & Danish: The "Viking_Denmark," "Oxford_Viking," and "Danish" markers (ranging from ~15% to 26%) indicate significant genetic input from Norse or Danish populations.
    Interpretation: This is typical for individuals from the UK or Ireland, reflecting the historical "Danelaw" period and Viking settlements.
    3. Model Accuracy (The "Distance")
    The "Distance" figures (around 1.97% to 2.05%) are very good.
    In G25 terms, a distance under 2.0% (0.02) means the reference populations chosen for the model are a very close fit for this person's actual DNA. These results are highly reliable.
    4. Ancient Components (The Final Model)
    The bottom model uses very broad ancient categories:
    CNE (Central Northern European): 66% — This represents the more "Germanic" or post-Roman migrating populations.
    WBI (Western British Isles): 34% — This represents the older, indigenous "Atlantic" genetic signal.
    Summary: This person's DNA is most similar to modern-day populations in Scotland, Northern England, or Ireland who have a significant amount of Scandinavian admixture.
    Do you have the PCA coordinates (the long string of 25 numbers) for this profile? I can help you see where they plot on a map compared to other global populations.



    These G25 coordinates confirm that "Grace_scaled" has a genetic profile exceptionally typical of the Western British Isles, with a very slight northern shift.
    Genetic Proximity (Distances)
    Based on standard reference averages, Grace plots closest to the following modern populations:
    Population Genetic Distance Interpretation
    Irish 0.0160 Excellent fit; primary genetic cluster.
    Scottish 0.0163 Excellent fit; nearly identical to Irish proximity.
    Danish 0.0213 Moderate fit; reflects the Germanic/Viking shift.
    English 0.0243 Good fit, though less "Celtic" than the Irish/Scottish signal.
    Interpretation of the Coordinates
    The "Celtic" Signal: The high values in the first few components (0.138, 0.136) are characteristic of Northwest Europeans. Her specific "drift" is toward the Insular Celtic populations (Irish and Scottish), which typically show higher scores in the components associated with early Atlantic farmers and Bell Beaker populations.
    The Northern Shift: The distance to Danish and Norwegian references (0.021–0.032) is relatively low for an Irish/Scottish profile. This suggests her ancestry isn't "pure" ancient Gaelic but includes the typical Viking-era admixture seen in Northern Scotland, the Hebrides, or the eastern coast of Ireland.
    Consistency: These numbers perfectly align with the visual report you shared earlier, which modeled her as ~82% Irish/Insular and ~17% Danish/Viking.
    Where she would plot on a PCA Map
    On a European PCA map, Grace would sit firmly in the Northwest corner. She would be located directly within the Irish cluster, slightly overlapping with Southwest Scots, and pulled a few "pixels" toward Scandinavia compared to a southern Irish average.
    Would you like me to run these coordinates against a more specific set of ancient samples, like Roman Britain or the Anglo-Saxon period?




    Could the results and Scandinavian shift be due to an Irish person have high Steppe rather than old Scandinavian admixture?

    It is a very insightful question. In G25 and general autosomal modeling, high Steppe ancestry and Scandinavian admixture can indeed look similar because they both shift a profile toward the "Northern" end of the European PCA map.
    However, for a modern Irish person like Grace, these two influences are usually distinct for several reasons:
    1. The "Irish Baseline" includes high Steppe
    Modern Irish people are already among the populations with the highest Bronze Age Steppe ancestry in the world, often reaching nearly 50%. Because this Steppe ancestry arrived ~4,000 years ago during the Bell Beaker period, it is baked into the "standard" Irish reference averages used by G25.
    YouTube
    YouTube
    +3
    If Grace was simply a "high-Steppe Irish person," she would likely still plot directly on top of the modern Irish average.
    The "Scandinavian shift" seen in her results (the ~17-26% Viking/Danish markers) suggests she has additional northern influence beyond that standard 4,000-year-old baseline.
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    +1
    2. How G25 tells them apart
    While both groups have high Steppe ancestry, G25 differentiates "Irish-like" (Insular Celtic) from "Danish-like" (Germanic) based on very subtle genetic markers:
    Insular/Irish Signal: Characterized by slightly higher Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) ancestry and unique "Atlantic" genetic drift.
    Scandinavian Signal: Characterized by higher Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer (SHG) ancestry and less of the specific Iron Age "Farmer" admixture found in the British Isles.
    3. Historical Reality: The "Viking" Legacy
    In Ireland, a Scandinavian shift is historically expected rather than a statistical fluke. Significant Norse-Viking settlements in cities like Dublin, Waterford, and Limerick (the "Ostmen") left a lasting genetic legacy. Research suggests some Irish regions carry up to 20% Norwegian-like ancestry, which matches Grace's results perfectly.
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    +2
    Conclusion
    While high Steppe ancestry makes all Northwest Europeans look similar, the specific 17-26% shift in Grace's profile is more likely authentic post-Iron Age admixture (Viking or Danish) rather than just being a very "Steppe-heavy" individual.
    A "high Steppe" Irish person without Viking admixture would usually show a distance of 0.012 or less to the Irish average; the fact that Grace has a nearly equal distance to Irish (0.0160) and Scottish (0.0163) supports the idea of a mixed "Northern" profile [Coordinates Analysis].
    The Irish Brigade's battle cry at Fontenoy, "Cuimhnigí ar Luimneach agus ar feall na Sasanaigh," translates to "Remember Limerick and the treachery of the English." After seeing the devastation caused by the Irish Brigade, the Duke of Cumberland reportedly remarked, "God curse the laws that made those men our enemies".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Thanks CDG. Here are my results with all the calculators you have posted.


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0402% / 0.02040218
    82.6 Irish
    17.4 Danish


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 2.0186% / 0.02018641
    79.6 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    20.4 Viking_Age_Scandinavia


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9952% / 0.01995161
    59.4 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge
    16.2 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge
    13.6 Viking_Dublin_Ireland
    10.8 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin


    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9754% / 0.01975394
    85.0 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge
    14.4 Viking_Denmark_VK286
    0.6 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge

    Target: Grace_scaled
    Distance: 1.9741% / 0.01974067
    73.4 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    26.6 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    I asked G25 about these results and not that I take the responses as absolutely correct because I still would prefer some more in-depth analysis by Geneticists and also would prefer to have more actual Gaelic samples which are a bit lacking. In short AI says I'm an Irish person with a Scandinavian pull. This is what Davidski said about my results years ago when he looked at my 23&Me raw data. However having been interested in genetics now for years I still think these calculators over estimate the Scandinavian result.

    I would like to see some dna studies from Ireland in the medieval period looking at the influence of Vikings in Ireland using ancient genomes. I've read a few years ago that Trinity College and Dr Lara Cassidy were looking at this period in Ireland but I have no clue as to when they are going to publish.

    Here's what AI said.

    These G25 results for "Grace_scaled" indicate an individual with a genetic profile centered in the British Isles, characterized by a strong foundation of indigenous Iron Age/Insular Celtic ancestry heavily influenced by later Scandinavian (Viking/Danish) migrations.
    Here is a breakdown of what the different models tell us:
    1. Core Ancestry: The "Insular" Foundation
    Across almost every model, the largest components are indigenous to the British Isles:
    Pict/Insular Celt/Gaelic: The results consistently show a high percentage (ranging from ~60% to 85%) of ancestry related to Iron Age Britain and Ireland.
    Regional Specifics: The mention of "Pict_Lundin_Links" and "Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge" specifically points toward roots in Scotland and Ireland.
    2. The Germanic/Scandinavian Influence
    The second-largest component in every model is Northern European/Germanic:
    Viking & Danish: The "Viking_Denmark," "Oxford_Viking," and "Danish" markers (ranging from ~15% to 26%) indicate significant genetic input from Norse or Danish populations.
    Interpretation: This is typical for individuals from the UK or Ireland, reflecting the historical "Danelaw" period and Viking settlements.
    3. Model Accuracy (The "Distance")
    The "Distance" figures (around 1.97% to 2.05%) are very good.
    In G25 terms, a distance under 2.0% (0.02) means the reference populations chosen for the model are a very close fit for this person's actual DNA. These results are highly reliable.
    4. Ancient Components (The Final Model)
    The bottom model uses very broad ancient categories:
    CNE (Central Northern European): 66% — This represents the more "Germanic" or post-Roman migrating populations.
    WBI (Western British Isles): 34% — This represents the older, indigenous "Atlantic" genetic signal.
    Summary: This person's DNA is most similar to modern-day populations in Scotland, Northern England, or Ireland who have a significant amount of Scandinavian admixture.
    Do you have the PCA coordinates (the long string of 25 numbers) for this profile? I can help you see where they plot on a map compared to other global populations.



    These G25 coordinates confirm that "Grace_scaled" has a genetic profile exceptionally typical of the Western British Isles, with a very slight northern shift.
    Genetic Proximity (Distances)
    Based on standard reference averages, Grace plots closest to the following modern populations:
    Population Genetic Distance Interpretation
    Irish 0.0160 Excellent fit; primary genetic cluster.
    Scottish 0.0163 Excellent fit; nearly identical to Irish proximity.
    Danish 0.0213 Moderate fit; reflects the Germanic/Viking shift.
    English 0.0243 Good fit, though less "Celtic" than the Irish/Scottish signal.
    Interpretation of the Coordinates
    The "Celtic" Signal: The high values in the first few components (0.138, 0.136) are characteristic of Northwest Europeans. Her specific "drift" is toward the Insular Celtic populations (Irish and Scottish), which typically show higher scores in the components associated with early Atlantic farmers and Bell Beaker populations.
    The Northern Shift: The distance to Danish and Norwegian references (0.021–0.032) is relatively low for an Irish/Scottish profile. This suggests her ancestry isn't "pure" ancient Gaelic but includes the typical Viking-era admixture seen in Northern Scotland, the Hebrides, or the eastern coast of Ireland.
    Consistency: These numbers perfectly align with the visual report you shared earlier, which modeled her as ~82% Irish/Insular and ~17% Danish/Viking.
    Where she would plot on a PCA Map
    On a European PCA map, Grace would sit firmly in the Northwest corner. She would be located directly within the Irish cluster, slightly overlapping with Southwest Scots, and pulled a few "pixels" toward Scandinavia compared to a southern Irish average.
    Would you like me to run these coordinates against a more specific set of ancient samples, like Roman Britain or the Anglo-Saxon period?




    Could the results and Scandinavian shift be due to an Irish person have high Steppe rather than old Scandinavian admixture?

    It is a very insightful question. In G25 and general autosomal modeling, high Steppe ancestry and Scandinavian admixture can indeed look similar because they both shift a profile toward the "Northern" end of the European PCA map.
    However, for a modern Irish person like Grace, these two influences are usually distinct for several reasons:
    1. The "Irish Baseline" includes high Steppe
    Modern Irish people are already among the populations with the highest Bronze Age Steppe ancestry in the world, often reaching nearly 50%. Because this Steppe ancestry arrived ~4,000 years ago during the Bell Beaker period, it is baked into the "standard" Irish reference averages used by G25.
    YouTube
    YouTube
    +3
    If Grace was simply a "high-Steppe Irish person," she would likely still plot directly on top of the modern Irish average.
    The "Scandinavian shift" seen in her results (the ~17-26% Viking/Danish markers) suggests she has additional northern influence beyond that standard 4,000-year-old baseline.
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    +1
    2. How G25 tells them apart
    While both groups have high Steppe ancestry, G25 differentiates "Irish-like" (Insular Celtic) from "Danish-like" (Germanic) based on very subtle genetic markers:
    Insular/Irish Signal: Characterized by slightly higher Western Hunter-Gatherer (WHG) ancestry and unique "Atlantic" genetic drift.
    Scandinavian Signal: Characterized by higher Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherer (SHG) ancestry and less of the specific Iron Age "Farmer" admixture found in the British Isles.
    3. Historical Reality: The "Viking" Legacy
    In Ireland, a Scandinavian shift is historically expected rather than a statistical fluke. Significant Norse-Viking settlements in cities like Dublin, Waterford, and Limerick (the "Ostmen") left a lasting genetic legacy. Research suggests some Irish regions carry up to 20% Norwegian-like ancestry, which matches Grace's results perfectly.
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    PubMed Central (PMC) (.gov)
    +2
    Conclusion
    While high Steppe ancestry makes all Northwest Europeans look similar, the specific 17-26% shift in Grace's profile is more likely authentic post-Iron Age admixture (Viking or Danish) rather than just being a very "Steppe-heavy" individual.
    A "high Steppe" Irish person without Viking admixture would usually show a distance of 0.012 or less to the Irish average; the fact that Grace has a nearly equal distance to Irish (0.0160) and Scottish (0.0163) supports the idea of a mixed "Northern" profile [Coordinates Analysis].
    Another couple of calculators you might find interesting:

    Code:
    Northern Irish/Ulster Profile (Scaled),0.133173, 0.129988, 0.069767, 0.051357, 0.039392, 0.012271, 0.000235, 0.008307, 0.004704, 0.005467, -0.012179, 0.007643, -0.011744, -0.006606, 0.019137, 0.004906, -0.007823, -0.000887, -0.006788, 0.00075, 0.012353, -0.000866, 0.000739, 0.018798, -0.002994
    Irish_Ulster,0.131102,0.133288,0.062062,0.049451,0.038469,0.01955,0.004245,0.005111,0.002889,-0.001276,-0.007567,0.00518,-0.012587,-0.015243,0.024226,0.008406,-0.012876,0.001605,0.002996,0.002976,0.006938,0.001195,0.000049,0.01358,0.000359
    Norwegian_West,0.132034,0.129988,0.068259,0.062016,0.041546,0.024263,0.00752,0.009923,0.0045,0.000547,-0.003897,0.004946,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.020222,0.013259,-0.005476,0.001394,0.001885,0.004002,0.008485,0.003215,-0.001109,0.010483,0.001437
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01961347 Irish_Ulster
    0.02856666 NorthernIrish/UlsterProfile(Scaled)
    0.02915410 Norwegian_West

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.9443% / 0.01944271
    89.0 Irish_Ulster
    11.0 NorthernIrish/UlsterProfile(Scaled)

    Code:
     Rathlin1,0.130897,0.129988,0.059208,0.055879,0.038469,0.019522,0.003995,0.005307,0.003272,-0.00164,-0.006983,0.004946,-0.011893,-0.014038,0.024022,0.008486,-0.012517,0.001774,0.003142,0.003001,0.006525,0.001237,0.000123,0.012893,0.000359
    Ireland_Ballynahatty,0.124067,0.177718,-0.003394,-0.096577,0.054164,-0.038487,-0.003055,-0.001615,0.035792,0.06196,0.002598,0.010041,-0.017393,0.001789,-0.019544,-0.011933,0.011865,0.0019,0.004274,-0.007629,-0.006988,0.003586,-0.00419,-0.00012,0.001197
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.02142784 Rathlin1
    0.19777881 Ireland_Ballynahatty

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.9721% / 0.01972093
    96.0 Rathlin1
    4.0 Ireland_Ballynahatty

    Code:
    Ireland_Viking_VK545,0.129758,0.133034,0.062979,0.051034,0.040007,0.016176,0.00188,-0.000692,0.003477,0.001276,-0.005034,0.002847,-0.010109,-0.014313,0.024158,0.010475,-0.01017,0.002534,0.002263,0.001751,0.004492,0.002102,0.001109,0.014219,0.000359
    Ireland_Viking_VK543,0.12862,0.135065,0.061848,0.052649,0.038776,0.019243,0.00329,0.004846,0.005318,0.00164,-0.005196,0.004346,-0.011595,-0.015689,0.023344,0.009016,-0.011474,0.002407,0.003142,0.002876,0.005615,0.001484,0.000493,0.013014,0.000718
    France_Normandy,0.126344,0.138112,0.051665,0.027455,0.038161,0.009482,0.004465,0.003692,0.007567,0.01221,0.000325,0.005395,-0.013231,-0.008808,0.013572,0.001724,-0.00691,0.001647,0.002891,-0.000625,0.003244,0.000866,-0.001356,0.006386,0.000718
    England_Medieval_Norman,0.130897,0.136081,0.058831,0.043282,0.040007,0.015339,0.00188,0.003923,0.007158,0.008018,-0.004547,0.006144,-0.011893,-0.011835,0.016558,0.005171,-0.007953,0.00114,0.002891,0.001126,0.002995,0.001978,-0.000616,0.008435,0.001317
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01996963 Ireland_Viking_VK543
    0.02228594 England_Medieval_Norman
    0.02315549 Ireland_Viking_VK545
    0.03664862 France_Normandy

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.9139% / 0.01913932
    66.8 Ireland_Viking_VK543
    33.2 England_Medieval_Norman
    Last edited by celticdragongod; 04-20-2026 at 02:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticdragongod View Post
    Not sure if I have posted the following calculator previously but I find that it works pretty well for me. Hopefully it will work for you if you choose to give it a shot.

    Code:
    English,0.126344,0.134558,0.060151,0.046512,0.038469,0.01757,0.003995,0.007615,0.004909,0.00164,0.001299,0.005395,-0.010109,-0.009496,0.017915,0.002121,-0.013299,0.00228,0.003771,0.002751,0.005116,0.001484,-0.001356,0.009037,0.000359
    Scottish,0.127482,0.132019,0.061848,0.04845,0.037545,0.021196,0.00423,0.007154,0.005113,0.001093,-0.003897,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.010459,0.021037,0.003978,-0.011734,0.001394,0.002514,0.003502,0.004243,0.000989,-0.001109,0.01205,0.001197
    Irish,0.129759,0.131003,0.063356,0.05168,0.039084,0.020638,0.0047,0.006692,0.00409,0.000729,-0.004547,0.004946,-0.012933,-0.009358,0.022937,0.004641,-0.012647,0.0019,0.004022,0.003752,0.005366,0.001237,0.000616,0.014098,0.001317
    Dutch,0.126344,0.132019,0.061094,0.046835,0.039392,0.019523,0.005405,0.007615,0.0045,0.001276,-0.002436,0.004346,-0.011596,-0.009358,0.018594,0.003978,-0.008475,0.002027,0.005028,0.004377,0.005116,0.002473,-0.000246,0.010242,0.001437
    Danish,0.12862,0.131003,0.067882,0.055879,0.039392,0.020359,0.00846,0.010153,0.006749,-0.002187,-0.006008,0.003447,-0.012785,-0.006881,0.017915,0.012066,-0.002608,0.002407,0.005405,0.009505,0.00549,0.00408,0.003204,0.011688,0.000599
    Norwegian,0.12862,0.126941,0.071276,0.061047,0.040623,0.024263,0.008225,0.009461,0.004909,-0.006925,-0.005359,0.004196,-0.010555,-0.008257,0.020222,0.012596,-0.001956,0.003167,0.004399,0.01013,0.008235,0.003586,0.004437,0.015183,0.001916
    French_Nord,0.125205,0.139128,0.053174,0.031977,0.037545,0.012829,0.002115,0.003692,0.007567,0.012939,0.000162,0.004946,-0.011001,-0.010184,0.011129,-0.000265,-0.01004,0.003041,0.004651,-0.00075,0.001996,0.00235,0.002095,0.004097,0.000599
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01559385 Irish
    0.01683442 Scottish
    0.01840350 Dutch
    0.01931093 English
    0.02428820 Danish
    0.03026902 Norwegian
    0.03352384 French_Nord

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5066% / 0.01506614
    86.2 Irish
    12.0 French_Nord
    1.8 Danish

    Or you can try this calculator if you want to try older samples:

    Code:
    Viking_Age_Scandinavia,0.126435,0.12882,0.069796,0.057106,0.04068,0.021948,0.007576,0.009363,0.005118,-0.003923,-0.005517,0.00373,-0.009943,-0.008432,0.019554,0.009312,-0.005952,0.00269,0.004815,0.007626,0.004845,0.003444,0.00223,0.011664,0.000624
    Continental_Saxon,0.12879,0.133238,0.063469,0.049484,0.040992,0.019187,0.005476,0.007823,0.004581,0.000492,-0.003508,0.004481,-0.009306,-0.008945,0.018784,0.006497,-0.007536,0.001698,0.004726,0.005403,0.005141,0.002597,0.001085,0.011387,0.001293
    Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age,0.130985,0.133465,0.062024,0.04958,0.039216,0.019918,0.004062,0.005538,0.004745,0.002679,-0.00492,0.005177,-0.012543,-0.011037,0.021973,0.004667,-0.013586,0.002422,0.003457,0.003489,0.005166,0.001607,-0.000419,0.014267,0.001389
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01552040 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    0.01782920 Continental_Saxon
    0.02408366 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5451% / 0.01545060
    85.8 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    14.2 Continental_Saxon

    Here is one with even older samples:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031,0.133173,0.133034,0.063733,0.053941,0.040007,0.021196,0.003995,0.007615,0.001636,0.000182,0.003897,0.004496,-0.013677,-0.010459,0.019544,0.00305,0.001173,0.00038,0.003142,0.001376,0.007237,0.002844,0.002835,0.011809,0.002515
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542,0.129758,0.129988,0.069767,0.061693,0.040931,0.024263,0.008695,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006743,-0.004547,0.004796,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019815,0.011668,-0.001304,0.003167,0.005028,0.008629,0.007861,0.004204,0.003574,0.01458,0.002036
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.02402146 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031
    0.02909602 Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5854% / 0.01585429
    51.2 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    37.2 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    8.0 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    3.6 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031

    And here is one if you want to check if you have any Roman ancestry:

    Code:
    Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160,0.129758,0.13405,0.061094,0.046835,0.038469,0.021753,0.003995,0.004615,0.005113,0.002551,-0.004709,0.005395,-0.013379,-0.012524,0.021037,0.003978,-0.014212,0.0019,0.003142,0.003627,0.004991,0.001978,-0.001232,0.013134,0.001197
    Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001,0.129758,0.13405,0.064111,0.052649,0.038776,0.020638,0.0047,0.006231,0.004704,-0.000364,-0.004547,0.004646,-0.01442,-0.01156,0.021037,0.003978,-0.01356,0.0019,0.003142,0.003377,0.004991,0.002102,-0.001109,0.013616,0.001317
    Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157,0.129758,0.129988,0.059585,0.048773,0.035699,0.018965,0.00517,0.006692,0.002045,-0.001458,0.001299,0.004496,-0.012487,-0.007569,0.018865,0.008486,-0.006128,0.0019,0.003897,0.005002,0.006239,0.001855,0.001972,0.012652,0.001317
    Viking_Denmark_VK286,0.134311,0.117801,0.065619,0.05814,0.048317,0.014223,0.003995,0.005769,0.005522,-0.000547,-0.006496,0.002248,-0.000446,-0.009083,0.012486,0.007425,0.002868,-0.000127,0.00176,0.004752,0.010981,0.006801,0.001725,0.011327,-0.007424
    Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116,0.103579,0.151314,-0.032809,-0.0688,0.001539,-0.025658,-0.004935,-0.002538,0.016362,0.044283,0.006496,0.008992,-0.014271,-0.000826,-0.015201,-0.004243,0.00691,0.000507,0.002388,-0.01063,-0.003244,0.005193,-0.003328,-0.000723,-0.003353
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01622926 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01662042 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02049703 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.03886805 Viking_Denmark_VK286
    0.18019418 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.5804% / 0.01580409
    77.6 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    14.4 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    6.8 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    1.2 Roman_Imperial_Italy:RMPR116

    Or if you want to see if you are related to the British Celts of Roman times:

    Code:
    Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1,0.129758,0.132019,0.061471,0.04845,0.038469,0.018407,0.004465,0.007154,0.003477,0.001093,-0.002111,0.004946,-0.012487,-0.008395,0.018458,0.005171,-0.01004,0.00152,0.003771,0.004252,0.006489,0.001607,-0.000986,0.011447,0.001197
    Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14,0.130896,0.126941,0.06939,0.060724,0.041546,0.021475,0.00611,0.010153,0.005113,-0.006196,-0.004872,0.004346,-0.010406,-0.009496,0.019544,0.011403,-0.002217,0.003167,0.004651,0.00913,0.007112,0.00408,0.004314,0.014219,0.001916
    York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18,0.129758,0.136081,0.062599,0.049419,0.038161,0.019523,0.00423,0.005769,0.005318,0.001458,-0.004547,0.005545,-0.013528,-0.011147,0.021172,0.00411,-0.01369,0.002027,0.003268,0.003252,0.004866,0.001731,-0.00037,0.013978,0.001437
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.01502511 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    0.01761915 Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1
    0.02774370 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.4932% / 0.01493242
    93.4 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    6.6 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14
    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.8083% / 0.01808303
    100.0 Irish

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01808303 Irish
    0.02002220 Scottish
    0.02258594 English
    0.02288617 Dutch
    0.03051652 Danish
    0.03411535 Norwegian
    0.03955354 French_Nord

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.8362% / 0.01836225
    100.0 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01836225 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    0.02312640 Continental_Saxon
    0.02828420 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.7225% / 0.01722499
    100.0 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01722499 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01974466 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02519299 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.02560703 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031
    0.03265453 Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.7837% / 0.01783680
    100.0 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01783680 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    0.02152194 Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1
    0.03151343 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    The Models maybe need better Germanic samples. I'm sure I am mostly Insular Celtic, but not as Celtic as these results would suggest, but to be honest, G25 just isn't very good at telling Insular Celtic and Germanic apart, and I find AI will follow a narrative it thinks you want to hear, until you correct it, and then it will do a 360. According to AI, I am simultaneously the most Western Insular Celtic person alive, and the next time I use it, it thinks I'm Dutch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albannach View Post
    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.8083% / 0.01808303
    100.0 Irish

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01808303 Irish
    0.02002220 Scottish
    0.02258594 English
    0.02288617 Dutch
    0.03051652 Danish
    0.03411535 Norwegian
    0.03955354 French_Nord

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.8362% / 0.01836225
    100.0 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01836225 Insular_Celtic_Iron_Age
    0.02312640 Continental_Saxon
    0.02828420 Viking_Age_Scandinavia

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.7225% / 0.01722499
    100.0 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01722499 Pict_Lundin_Links_IronAge:LUN001
    0.01974466 Insular_Celt_England_IronAge:I0160
    0.02519299 Anglo-Saxon_England_EarlyMedieval:I0157
    0.02560703 Gaelic_Early_BronzeAge_Rathlin:I2031
    0.03265453 Viking_Dublin_Ireland:VK542

    Target: Albannach_scaled
    Distance: 1.7837% / 0.01783680
    100.0 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18

    Distance to: Albannach_scaled
    0.01783680 York_Roman_Briton_Sample_6DRIF18
    0.02152194 Hinxton_AngloSaxon_Sample_HI1
    0.03151343 Oxford_Viking_Sample_VK14

    The Models maybe need better Germanic samples. I'm sure I am mostly Insular Celtic, but not as Celtic as these results would suggest, but to be honest, G25 just isn't very good at telling Insular Celtic and Germanic apart, and I find AI will follow a narrative it thinks you want to hear, until you correct it, and then it will do a 360. According to AI, I am simultaneously the most Western Insular Celtic person alive, and the next time I use it, it thinks I'm Dutch.
    The problem is that Germans and Insular Celts have similar levels of Steppe, EEF and WHG ancestry which makes them look more closely related than they actually are.

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    Another calculator - just for fun:

    Code:
    GBR_Cornwall_IA,0.130897,0.138112,0.061093,0.045866,0.038776,0.01506,0.004935,0.007154,0.007772,0.007654,-0.005359,0.009441,-0.017542,-0.012386,0.021037,0.004773,-0.015776,0.001647,0.003142,0.004127,0.004991,0.002473,-0.001972,0.008314,-0.000359
    Viking_Norway,0.126344,0.129988,0.071276,0.060724,0.041854,0.023148,0.007755,0.010153,0.003886,-0.006925,-0.00406,0.006894,-0.011893,-0.012937,0.022937,0.012596,-0.001565,0.001774,0.005154,0.004377,0.007612,0.003339,-0.000986,0.010483,0.001197
    Baltic_IA,0.132035,0.123895,0.088623,0.096901,0.046162,0.038208,0.011281,0.014307,-0.001432,-0.043554,-0.001786,-0.013488,0.027056,0.027938,-0.013572,-0.001724,0.004955,0.000127,0.000754,0.011756,0.004991,0.005441,0.005053,-0.012291,-0.001197
    Danish,0.127482,0.129988,0.071653,0.062016,0.041546,0.023985,0.00752,0.009461,0.003272,-0.004191,-0.00406,0.004496,-0.011447,-0.011698,0.023208,0.013259,-0.001956,0.002027,0.006411,0.006753,0.008984,0.004451,0.001109,0.012532,0.001437
    Distance to: CDG_scaled
    0.02017494 GBR_Cornwall_IA
    0.03091190 Danish
    0.03141619 Viking_Norway
    0.10792704 Baltic_IA

    Target: CDG_scaled
    Distance: 1.8334% / 0.01833375
    74.8 GBR_Cornwall_IA
    25.2 Danish
    Last edited by celticdragongod; 04-21-2026 at 10:49 PM.

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