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    Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers are paternal J2 and J1





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    Frowning man probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Opie View Post
    Frowning man probably



    Comparison







    Kartvelians and Northwestern Caucasians have high CHG, and ANF is also significant. Northeastern Caucasians are literally Yamnaya

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    With this set of sources and references I score around 16% CHG

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    Personally I think WHG is a bit low and ANF is inflated.

    I would guess Tkes would be one of the top CHG admixed members.

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    Check MyHeritage Ancient Origins for Bronze Age breakdown.

    They give me 9.6%

    European Farmer (6300–2800 BC)
    46.8%

    Central Steppe (2100–1800 BC)
    24.2%

    Western Steppe (3300–2600 BC)
    18.6%

    Bronze Age Caucasian (3700–1700 BC)
    9.6%

    North Amerindian (4000 BC–AD 1600)
    0.8%
    Persian Trance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCvRP8FhJlI

    Target: SC_Ave_IllustrativeDNA
    Distance: 1.9594% / 0.01959386 | R3P
    74.4 Irish
    16.2 Moksha
    9.4 Bulgarian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gannicus View Post
    With this set of sources and references I score around 16% CHG

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    Personally I think WHG is a bit low and ANF is inflated.

    I would guess Tkes would be one of the top CHG admixed members.



    Your 16% CHG is actually your native component, your paternal haplogroup tells a lot. J (J1 and J2) is Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer. Those are your ancestors who came into Europe through Yamnaya migrants, or Anatolian farmers who have been mixed with local WHG for centuries.

    tk'es has CHG component, he is also J like you, sometimes his CHG equals to Yamnaya, or his Yamnaya can even surpass his CHG, because of too heavily steppe admixture. Frowning man, a Megrelian member, could have almost 90% CHG, hence all Kartvelians showed their ancient autosomal DNA results, BUT they are predominantly G2a, not J2a or J1.

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    Caucasian hunter-gatherers had a branch - J2a1-Y12378 and a nearly extinct branch - J1. This branch of J1, found in Satsurblia Cave, has only three descendants: two Georgians, apparently Adjarians, and one Armenian. All other J1s in the Caucasus are completely unrelated to it and arrived later. Not all J2s in Kavaz are descendants of it (CHG). There are numerous branches of J2 in Kavaz that arrived there at different times, so if you have this aplogroup, it doesn't mean you're descended from Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers.

    CHG branch (Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers) - J2a1-Y12378
    The year is 2025, based on the data I have.

    • Georgia 156 out of 1,716 - 9.09%

    • Megrels 56 out of 482 - 11.6%
    • Imeretians 21 out of 276 - 7.6%
    • Khevsurs 15 out of 38 - 39.5%
    • Tushins 18 out of 58 - 31.03%
    • Lechkhums 3 out of 39 - 7.7%
    • Rachins 5 out of 67 - 7.8%
    • Gurians 3 out of 58 - 5.2%
    • Adjarians - 2 out of 52 - 3.8%
    • Mokhevs 4 out of 26 - 15.4%
    • Pshavians 2 out of 30 - 6.7%
    • Mtiuli 4 31 people - 12.9%
    •Kartlians 9 people out of 116 - 7.8%
    •Kakhetians 7 people out of 140 - 5%
    Of the 156 Georgians with this branch, the largest proportion are Mingrelians: 56 people out of 156 - 35%

    •Georgians 156 people out of 1716 - 9.09%
    •Ossetians 47 people out of 718 - 6.6%
    •Apsua-Adyghe 69 people out of 1065 - 6.47%
    •Chechens 23 people out of 1455 - 1.58%
    •Ingush 5 people out of 359 - 1.39%
    •Karachay-Balkars 14 people out of 672 - 2.1%

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    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers are paternal J2 and J1




    There are also Balkan hunter-gatherers who as far as I am aware of are pretty close to Anatolian hunter-gatherers from the LGM.

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    I don't think I'm up there but YourDnaPortal gave me around 7.0% "CHG-Iran". I'm J-M67 subclade of J-M172.

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