are IllustrativeDNA coords they now provide different from the ones we usually use with Vahaduo?

[Nurzat]

or not?

do you know how can you get the "old" type coords? just tested mom (with MyHeritage) and wanted the good ol' Eurogenes-style coords for her, to be able to play around with Vahaduo custom calculators

[lacreme]

They are using their own kind of coordinates nowadays which are not compatible with the real ones.
Better invest in the real G25 coordinates from the creator himself
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2025/...ble-again.html

[Nurzat]

They are using their own kind of coordinates nowadays which are not compatible with the real ones.
Better invest in the real G25 coordinates from the creator himself
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2025/...ble-again.html

thanks. I've uploaded already to Illustrative but will probably get the "real" ones as well. Illustrative does have a couple of nice tools to use, so that's ok, also to have all the kits in one place (got dad and maternal grandma there as well)

[Luke35]

This new site uses real G25, they are working with Davidski.

https://ancestralgenome.com/

[AndreiDNA]

you can use any set of coords with vahaduo. vahaduo isnt something thats only specifically created for G25. Any set of numbers can be compared with each other (provided they have an equal number of coordinates) in vahaduo. it's just a linear algebra optimization tool.

[Opie]

This new site uses real G25, they are working with Davidski.

https://ancestralgenome.com/

Is it different than G25 calculators? Are Hunter Gatherer results identical to IllustrativeDNA before the update?

[Isinimo]

One of TurkDNA's latest grifting and scam "update" was creating simulated coordinates for free instead of getting legitimate coordinates from Davidski or whoever. You have been scammed.

[AnthrogenicaRefugee]

or not?

do you know how can you get the "old" type coords? just tested mom (with MyHeritage) and wanted the good ol' Eurogenes-style coords for her, to be able to play around with Vahaduo custom calculators

Yes, they are different.
If you want to download the coordinates from Illustrative, you can run them here: https://casperhub.dev/Vahaduo/

Click on the "New Illustrative DNA" button from source and put the downloaded coords in the target.
The results won't change much though.

Distance to:	IonBasescul
0.02065334	Moldovan
0.02691540	Romanian
0.02731494	Montenegrin
0.02743345	Bosniak
0.02745494	Serb*(Croatia)
0.02782429	Serb
0.02900530	Croat
0.03025470	Serb*(Montenegro)
0.03133695	Hungarian
0.03243442	Serb*(Bosnia)
0.03402167	North*(Macedonian)
0.03433493	Pomak*(Bulgaria)
0.03478198	Slovenian
0.03500688	Ukrainian*(Zakarpattia)
0.03677017	Bulgarian
0.04094124	Slovakian
0.04197978	Austrian
0.04216156	Gagauz
0.04258722	Greek*(Macedonia)
0.04379032	Ukrainian*(Lviv)
0.04469083	Turkish*(Northern*Bulgaria)
0.04475396	Czech
0.04487682	German
0.04498042	French*(Grand*Est)
0.04522336	Greek*(Eastern*Macedonia*and*Thrace)

[Luke35]

https://casperhub.dev/Vahaduo/

Any idea what the story behind this Hungarian average is? It is slightly different than both the Davidski and Moriopoulos Hungarian average.

Cool site by the way, thanks for the link.

[AnthrogenicaRefugee]

Any idea what the story behind this Hungarian average is? It is slightly different than both the Davidski and Moriopoulos Hungarian average.

Cool site by the way, thanks for the link.

I am not sure where he takes the samples from, but the average is probably made up of the samples from the Illustrative PCA.