Nurzat: tested mom, dad and maternal grandma. See results

[Nurzat]

Nurzat dad: Ukrainian (Hutsul, Suceava county)
Nurzat mom: Romanian (Moldovan, Vaslui county)

both from the countryside and all known ancestry is in the range of their native plus neighbouring villages for each

Eurogenes K13
population	Nurzat_dad	Nurzat_mom	Nurzat_maternal_grandma	Nurzat
North_Atlantic	23.54%	26.28%	20.18%	25.05%
Baltic	34.47%	28.07%	32.51%	30.77%
West_Med	12.61%	16.12%	17.18%	16.57%
West_Asian	9.48%	13.19%	9.76%	11.66%
East_Med	14.57%	12.36%	17.45%	11.20%
Red_Sea	0.77%	1.32%	-	0.17%
South_Asian	0.31%	0.30%	1.08%	1.13%
East_Asian	1.37%	-	1.04%	1.23%
Siberian	2.37%	1.39%	0.13%	1.16%
Amerindian	0.52%	0.75%	0.20%	0.40%
Oceanian	-	0.22%	0.45%	0.11%
Northeast_African	-	-	-	-
Sub-Saharan	-	-	-	0.58%

Eurogenes K15
population	Nurzat_dad	Nurzat_mom	Nurzat_maternal_grandma	Nurzat
North_Sea	17.68%	17.23%	17.46%	15.01%
Atlantic	12.72%	17.73%	11.11%	16.31%
Baltic	20.72%	17.38%	22.28%	20.30%
Eastern_Euro	17.31%	12.63%	12.00%	15.58%
West_Med	9.81%	11.73%	13.12%	11.95%
West_Asian	7.10%	11.73%	7.36%	9.30%
East_Med	10.93%	9.58%	15.25%	8.79%
Red_Sea	0.69%	0.97%	-	0.13%
South_Asian	0.13%	-	0.73%	0.78%
Southeast_Asian	1.01%	-	0.26%	0.81%
Siberian	1.48%	0.52%	-	0.29%
Amerindian	0.15%	0.49%	-	0.18%
Oceanian	-	-	0.42%	0.06%
Northeast_African	-	-	-	0.06%
Sub-Saharan	0.21%	-	-	0.49%

Illustrative DNA distance, top 10:

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.02216272 Ukrainian*(Zakarpattia)
0.02275028 Moldovan
0.02288594 Hungarian
0.02507596 Slovenian
0.02638413 Croat
0.02653076 Slovakian
0.02820222 Bosniak
0.02895518 Ukrainian*(Lviv)
0.03035247 Czech
0.03250334 Ukrainian*(Poltava)

Distance to: Nurzat_mom
0.02193000 Serb
0.02229004 Montenegrin
0.02256593 Romanian
0.02275441 North*(Macedonian)
0.02484614 Serb*(Croatia)
0.02515358 Serb*(Montenegro)
0.02569353 Serb*(Bosnia)
0.02598092 Bosniak
0.02718698 Pomak*(Bulgaria)
0.02820575 Bulgarian

Distance to: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
0.02901853 Serb
0.02974432 Montenegrin
0.03001749 Serb*(Croatia)
0.03054949 North*(Macedonian)
0.03094873 Romanian
0.03166813 Serb*(Montenegro)
0.03210734 Bosniak
0.03294160 Serb*(Bosnia)
0.03341417 Pomak*(Bulgaria)
0.03391978 Moldovan

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Illustrative DNA > Deep Ancestry > Hunter-Gatherer & Farmer

Nurzat dad
39.2% European Hunter-Gatherer
37.0% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
19.6% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer
3.0% Zagros Neolithic Farmer
1.0% East Siberian Hunter-Gatherer
0.2% Yellow River Neolithic Farmer

Nurzat mom
45.6% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
32.6% European Hunter-Gatherer
21.8% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer

Nurzat maternal grandmother
45.8% Anatolian Neolithic Farmer
32.4% European Hunter-Gatherer
21.8% Caucasus Hunter-Gatherer

[Nurzat]

Illustrative DNA > Deep Ancestry > Periodical Breakdown > Middle Ages


as we sit between Balkans and Eastern Europe, I checked how it looks with both as default region:

I marked in blue where a component takes over 50% and in red where an unexpected component comes in a relevant percentage.


with (East) Balkans as default region:

Nurzat dad
Genetic fit: 1.374 (Very close)
72.0% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
15.2% Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
9.2% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
3.6% Turkic (AD 650–1200)

Nurzat mom
Genetic fit: 1.677 (Very close)
51.6% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
31.0% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
16.4% Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
1.0% Turkic (AD 650–1200)


Nurzat maternal grandma
Genetic fit: 2.595 (Very close)
51.4% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
26.2% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
21.8% Byzantine Anatolia (AD 500–1100)
0.6% Turkic (AD 650–1200)


with Eastern Europe as default region:

Nurzat dad
Genetic fit: 1.424 (Very close)
67.4% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
28.2% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
4.0% Turkic (AD 650–1200)
0.4% Volga (AD 200–400)

Nurzat mom
Genetic fit: 1.622 (Very close)
39.6% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
28.6% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
18.4% Germanic (AD 700–1000)
13.4% North Caucasian (AD 650–1160)

Nurzat maternal grandma
Genetic fit: 2.535 (Very close)
43.2% Balkans (AD 500–1000)
39.4% Slavic (AD 540–1270)
12.6% North Caucasian (AD 650–1160)
4.8% Germanic (AD 700–1000)

[Nurzat]

Illustrative DNA > Deep Ancestry > Unsupervised Analysis > Modern

The "Unsupervised Analysis" section displays the most suitable 2 and 3 ancient populations or samples that can represent your genetic profile. The populations listed do not necessarily imply direct descent; the section aims to provide insights into the composition of your genetic makeup.


Nurzat dad - two-way
Genetic Fit: 1.573
74.86% Ukrainian (Dnipro)
25.14% Ashkenazi Jew

Nurzat dad - three-way
Genetic Fit: 1.489
82.9% Polish
14.9% Samaritan
2.2% Xibo


Nurzat mom - two-way
Genetic Fit: 1.961
69.8% Gagauz
30.2% Swedish

Nurzat mom - two-way
Genetic Fit: 1.984
83.7% North Macedonian
16.3% Icelander

Nurzat mom - three-way
Genetic Fit: 1.894
59.4% Gagauz
23.4% French (Normandy)
17.2% Ukrainian (Dnipro)

Nurzat mom - three-way
Genetic Fit: 1.907
70% Serb
22% French (Normandy)
8% Adygei


Nurzat maternal grandma - two-way
Genetic Fit: 2.727
59.68% Albanian
40.32% Ukrainian (Dnipro)

Nurzat maternal grandma - three-way
Genetic Fit: 2.695
64.1% Albanian
30.8% Latvian
5.1% Ossetian


grandma always gets higher distance, on all calcs, dunno why - both for modern and ancient calcs, her closest is usually over 2.5 fit.

I wonder what's with the Germanic pull of my mom across calculators. closest source for that could be Csango villages which are not very far away (Csango region starts some 30km to the West)

I also don't exclude unknown Ashkenazi ancestry on my dad's side, like 1/8, a great grandparent, who knows. need to see how that works across calculators etc. although 23andme picks up no Jewish whatsoever, so maybe it's just a bit of extra Carpathian Vlach

[Nurzat]

Illustrative DNA > Deep Ancestry > DIY Tools > Admixture > Modern


custom sources to differentiate between Balkan, Balto-Slavic, Celto-Germanic and exotic (Steppe Nomad and Levantine):
- Ukrainian (Zhytomyr)
- Greek (Peloponnese)
- Dutch
- Samaritan
- Crimean Tatar (Steppe)


Nurzat dad
Genetic Fit: 1.730
68.0% Ukrainian (Zhytomyr)
14.2% Dutch
12.8% Samaritan
5.0% Crimean Tatar (Steppe)

Nurzat mom
Genetic Fit: 2.106
45.6% Greek (Peloponnese)
27.2% Ukrainian (Zhytomyr)
26.0% Dutch
1.2% Crimean Tatar (Steppe)

Nurzat maternal grandmother
Genetic Fit: 2.897
50.6% Greek (Peloponnese)
44.6% Ukrainian (Zhytomyr)
4.2% Dutch
0.6% Crimean Tatar (Steppe)

[Nurzat]

Eurogenes K13 is maybe the most interesting to try for an admix calculator, because it goes into regional averages, which often are much more relevant than national ones, especially for our region, Moldova, in northeast Romania, which has a particular DNA mix, different especially to south Romania but also to western Romania.


with all source populations kept in:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 123.5062% / 1.23506189 | R5P
26.6 Russian_Kostroma
24.4 Bosniak_Krajina_West
20.2 Russian_Southwest
18.6 Greek_Thrace
10.2 Greek_Kastellorizo

Target: Nurzat_mom
Distance: 82.1837% / 0.82183669 | R5P
26.0 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
22.6 Greek_Pontus
22.2 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
20.6 Swiss_German_North
8.6 Basque_France

Target: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
Distance: 216.1302% / 2.16130166 | R5P
42.0 Latvian
29.8 Greek_Thrace
15.2 Greek_Kastellorizo
9.4 Sardinian
3.6 Turkish_East-Black_Sea


custom sources:

Target: Nurzat_dad
Distance: 299.8874% / 2.99887377
80.2 Ukrainian_Carpathians
12.8 Jew_Ashkenazi
7.0 Tatar_Crimea
0.0 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
0.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Csángó

Target: Nurzat_mom
Distance: 413.5711% / 4.13571077
74.6 Romanian_Moldavia_Csángó
18.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
7.0 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.4 Tatar_Crimea
0.0 Jew_Ashkenazi
0.0 Ukrainian_Carpathians

Target: Nurzat_maternal_grandma
Distance: 541.7153% / 5.41715254
72.4 Ukrainian_Carpathians
27.6 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.0 Jew_Ashkenazi
0.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Central
0.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Csángó
0.0 Tatar_Crimea





need to find a better model for mom, as she is definitely not Csango and couldn't have more than remote Csango ancestry. her full list full unreduced result is the one below. as she is fully Moldovan from central Moldova in Romania, need to find what to model her with, as Romanian_Moldavia_Central (the K13 average of her population) + what

Target: Nurzat_mom
Distance: 77.3522% / 0.77352224
23.0 German_Bavarian_Swabia
15.8 Russian_Tver-Yaroslavl
8.4 Turkish_Meskheti
7.4 German_Brandenburg_Outlier(Beeskow)
6.0 German_West_Bohemia
5.6 Greek_Pontus
5.6 Swiss_French
5.0 Turkish_East-Black_Sea
4.6 Polish_Subcarpathia
4.4 Basque_France
4.4 Russian_Pskov
3.4 Upper_Silesia
2.2 Bosniak_Sandzak_West
2.2 Sardinian
1.6 Sámi_Finland
0.2 Bulgarian_Southeastern
0.2 Greek_Laconia_Karitsa


Gemini suggested this mix, which still doesn't make sense for her ancestry but the distance becomes good - maybe K13 just doesn't work for her (will check other calculators and come back - will also get her the "original" G25 coords next days hopefully):

Target: Nurzat_mom
Distance: 208.2412% / 2.08241203
44.0 Austrian_Styria
24.2 Csángó-Ceangău
17.0 Ukrainian_Carpathians
14.8 Greek_Pontus
0.0 Romanian_Moldavia_Central

[Nurzat]

and that's how all this DNA mixed

Slavic, Germanic, Balkan and Turkomongol neutralizing one another for a nowhere and everywhere look

Spoiler!

[Luke35]

The organization and presentation of the data is unusually fine, Nurzat.

Interesting to see all the variations in the admixture between you and your family members. Looking at this gets me wondering about how much overlap exists between the various admixture components (North Atlantic, Baltic, etc). For instance, I can see that on K13 you ended up with a high West Med component - you nearly match your mother's West Med level, yet your father's is significantly lower. And your East Med is lower than both parents. So I'm wondering if some of your East Med was read as West Med by the assignment algorithm (due to the overlap that exists between Med regions). Perhaps this is demonstrating a minor instability in K13 admixture assignment (precision and recall). Of course what we are looking at here could also be adequately explained by random inheritance, or some combination of these factors (random inheritance, flaws in admixture assignment).

Anyway, I'm blabbering on. Again, exceptional presentation, sir.