Illyrian Dalmatia

[The Illyrian Warrior]

In fact we do have Thracian haplogroup results with the results being E-Z1919(Likely V13) and a J2a iirc. As for Illyrian samples, there is that J2b2-L283 proto-Illyrian sample.

Clearly E-V13, this haplogroup was for sure a constitutive component of all ancient Balkan people, from Pelasgians, Illyrians, Thracian and even ancient Greeks, couldn't be different, when it has evolved in Balkans and spread from there elsewhere.

[Mingle]

Illyrians and Thracians were IE people, and E1b and J2b2 are not IE markers.

Most IE-speaking people don't have IE haplogroups. They mostly have native pre-IE haplogroups.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

Albanians are Illyrians like I'm Queen Elizabeth.

[Jana]

Most IE-speaking people don't have IE haplogroups. They mostly have native pre-IE haplogroups.

Yes, J2b2 is as Illyrian as I2a1b is Slavic or I1 Germanic, or J2a Greek

It's pretty sure illyrian language came with R1b L23, but no people were 100% PIE. E-V13 is maybe Thracian based on data we have so far, or maybe common marker between all paleo-Balkan people

[chyyris]

Yes, J2b2 is as Illyrian as I2a1b is Slavic or I1 Germanic, or J2a Greek

It's pretty sure illyrian language came with R1b L23, but no people were 100% PIE. E-V13 is maybe Thracian based on data we have so far, or maybe common marker between all paleo-Balkan people

J2b2 is maybe illyrized by some branch of R1b, it's not been proven yet.
Illyrians and Thracian probably had some branch of R1a, I believe in that.

[Jana]

J2b2 is maybe illyrized by some branch of R1b, it's not been proven yet.
Illyrians anf Thracian probably had some branch of R1a, I believe in that.

Bronze age Bulgaria had R1a Z93.

[chyyris]

Bronze age Bulgaria had R1a Z93.

Maybe Thracian language came from R1a-Z93.
Some historians claims that proto-Thracians were related to Iranic people and that they came to Balkans from modern Ukraine and southern Russia 1000-1200 BC.
3000 years ago in modern Ukraine and southern Russia lived Iranic tribes.

[Kelmendasi]

J2b2 is maybe illyrized by some branch of R1b, it's not been proven yet.
Illyrians and Thracian probably had some branch of R1a, I believe in that.

Illyrians were probably R1b-Z2103 instead of R1a. This is suggested by the fact that a Vucedol sample was R1b-Z2103.

[Kelmendasi]

Yes, J2b2 is as Illyrian as I2a1b is Slavic or I1 Germanic, or J2a Greek

It's pretty sure illyrian language came with R1b L23, but no people were 100% PIE. E-V13 is maybe Thracian based on data we have so far, or maybe common marker between all paleo-Balkan people

E-V13 seems to just be a common marker between all Paleo-Balkanites and not just Thracian. E-V13 probably came from the west Balkans as suggested by the E1b-L618 sample from Neolithic Dalmatia and the highest diversity of V13 is around Montenegro, Albania and Serbia although it is also very Diverse in Bulgaria.

[Kelmendasi]

There are couple theories of Albanian origin.

Main fact against their Illyrian origin is that nowadays Albanian language is from Satem group (nowadays "eastern" languages including Balto-Slavic).

Illyrian language was from Centum group (nowadays "western" languages, including Hellenic, Celtic, Italic, Germanic).

Interesting fact is that Albanian language has lot of Balto-Slavic influence, especially Litvanian language which supports theory that they came with Slavs.

There is also big time gap in Byzantine documents when Illyrians are mentioned last time and when Albanians are mentioned first time.

Maybe nowadays Albanians incorporated some people from Illyrian origin but they did not preserve their culture and language. That is the same like claiming Hungarians are Slavs because of people of Slavic origin in Hungary.

Besides that, there is claim of Illyrian roots in modern Croatian/Dalmatian people:

There is no evidence that Illyrian was a Centum language, they believed this as they though that ancient Ventian was Illyrian and it's more likely that Illyrian was Satem going by the the R1b-Z2103 sample found in Vucedol. The Albanian link to the Baltic languages is just due to them being of Satem origin and lol at the "They came with Slavs" theory you have got going there, if that was true then scholars wouldn't say Albanian stem from a Pelo-Balkan language and Albanians would have a great amount of Slavic/Baltic like genetics and we would mainly be I2a1b and R1a like Balts or Slavs. Albanian culturally have many Illyrian elements it's just that you Serbs don't like accepting this, one example is the Plis/Qeleshe which is recorded to have been worn by Illyrians another is the Albanian pagan religion which is basically shown as a version of the Illyrian one as shown by how the Albanians believed in Gods like "Perendi" or "En" who were also found in the Illyrian religion. As for linguistic analysis, most evidence does point towards and Albanian-Illyrian link. Also Albanians genetically are between 90-100% Balkan genetically with haplogroups found in the Paleo-Balkan samples specifically those found in areas that Illyrians would later inhabit