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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    Kaspias, are there differences between Alevi and Sunni Balkan Turks? If i am not Bektashis were widespread in Ottoman era, it is still existing among Albanians, are they just regular Albanians genetically without any Turkish influence?
    Not only Albanians but all of the Balkan Muslims, including a wave of Balkan Turks, has Bektashi origin but later Sunnified. For example, my mother doesn't know what Bektashism is but still using Bektashi greetings which she learned from her mother. When I ask her about the sect she says she is Sunni, but this is something recently developed. She actually doesn't even know what is the difference between sects despite being very religious. This is a pretty common case in the Balkans.

    Alevi Albanians and Alevi Bosniaks(Alevi Pomaks are still present and of Macedonian Pomak origin, but no sample so far. Gorani Sunnified totally, I don't know about Torbeshi) have no difference from the Sunni ones and they show none Turkic admixture. This is something expected as a possible mix between locals and dervishes resulted in the child being Turkish and the descendant probably merged into the Balkan Turk community afterward. On the other hand, it might just be washed out, too.

    In the sense of Balkan Turks, there is either none or negligible difference between Sunni and Alevi. I can say that Alevi's has a slight West Asian pull while Sunni's has a slight Mediterranean pull in some cases, but such differences occur within groups as well, and can not suggest a difference between the two. What can be said for sure that both groups processed the same external factors during the ethnic-creation phase. Alevi's and Sunni's probably mixed to some degree. Furthermore, Alevi's probably has more than one source of origin. Some might be just the descendants of some Dervish groups, and some can be Kızılbaş, for example. To sum it up, sectarian isolation did not cause a genetic drift in terms of averages, but sometimes such shifts can be seen at individual levels. As the mentioned drifts occur within Sunni's too, it can not suggest a difference between the two groups.
    Last edited by Kaspias; 01-06-2021 at 06:41 AM.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
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    That is very interesting, i did not know that this denomination was widespread among non Turks too, at least not in this numbers. Strictly speaking Alevis are an ethno-religious group and as far i know they did not accepted foreigners in the past. For example non-Turkish Alevis in Anatolia are often around 30% Turkish genetically, which definitely indicates contacts to Turks. So i expected some kind of Turkish admixture among Bektashi-non-Turks, but maybe like you said this lack can have different reasons, probably it vanished very early or have sociological causes.
    I thought maybe in Balkans there were some differences between Sunnis and Alevis since in Anatolia this is not the case. Nevertheless thanks for your answere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gecko View Post
    That is very interesting, i did not know that this denomination was widespread among non Turks too, at least not in this numbers. Strictly speaking Alevis are an ethno-religious group and as far i know they did not accepted foreigners in the past. For example non-Turkish Alevis in Anatolia are often around 30% Turkish genetically, which definitely indicates contacts to Turks. So i expected some kind of Turkish admixture among Bektashi-non-Turks, but maybe like you said this lack can have different reasons, probably it vanished very early or have sociological causes.
    I thought maybe in Balkans there were some differences between Sunnis and Alevis since in Anatolia this is not the case. Nevertheless thanks for your answere.
    I had no idea about the DNA of Anatolian Alevis, but I have a thesis on it. There are many Zaza/Kurd-like results from Tunceli and Elazığ whom Balkan Turks often match. I do believe the reason is the expelling of the rebellious Celali followers to the Balkans and Iran. The Turks who stayed probably changed their identification from Turkish to Zaza/Kurdish as they became a minority after the expellings, this could explain the Turkish influence, too.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    It has been a while since I posted results from Thrace. New sample is from Kardzhali.

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    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Caucasus	30.13
    2	North_European	26.11
    3	Atlantic_Med	17.34
    4	Gedrosia	8.86
    5	Southwest_Asian	6.51
    6	Siberian	3.94
    7	East_Asian	3.8
    8	Northwest_African	2
    9	South_Asian	0.99
    10	East_African	0.17
    11	Southeast_Asian	0.14
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	12.42
    2	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	13.69
    3	Romanians (Behar)	13.84
    4	Greek (Dodecad)	15.5
    5	O_Italian (Dodecad)	17
    6	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	18.7
    7	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	19.47
    8	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	19.58
    9	C_Italian (Dodecad)	19.74
    10	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.4
    11	Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.54
    12	Tuscan (HGDP)	21.46
    13	Turkish (Dodecad)	22.06
    14	TSI30 (Metspalu)	22.1
    15	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	23.31
    16	Turks (Behar)	23.39
    17	N_Italian (Dodecad)	24.19
    18	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	24.45
    19	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	26.28
    20	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	26.58
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	66.4%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	33.6%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	3.04
    2	 	68.9%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	31.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	3.64
    3	 	53.4%	Turks (Behar)	+	46.6%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	4.22
    4	 	66.7%	Romanians (Behar)	+	33.3%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	4.43
    5	 	54.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	45.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	4.75
    6	 	64.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.7%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	4.75
    7	 	65.7%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	34.3%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	4.78
    8	 	57.9%	Turks (Behar)	+	42.1%	German (Dodecad)	@	5.16
    9	 	64.6%	Turks (Behar)	+	35.4%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.19
    10	 	66.1%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	33.9%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.4
    11	 	62.7%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	37.3%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	5.41
    12	 	59.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	40.6%	German (Dodecad)	@	5.66
    13	 	64.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	35.5%	Polish (Dodecad)	@	5.69
    14	 	59.8%	Romanians (Behar)	+	40.2%	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	@	5.69
    15	 	70.6%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	29.4%	FIN30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.79
    16	 	72.1%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	27.9%	Iranians (Behar)	@	5.98
    17	 	63.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	36.9%	Polish (Dodecad)	@	6.02
    18	 	70.9%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	29.1%	Iranian (Dodecad)	@	6.04
    19	 	71.3%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	28.7%	Finnish (Dodecad)	@	6.1
    20	 	71.1%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	28.9%	Kurd (Dodecad)	@	6.12
    Code:
     [1,] "64.2% Bulgarian_East + 35.8% Nogai"                "2.5383"
     [2,] "66.4% Bulgarian_Thrace + 33.6% Nogai"              "2.6055"
     [3,] "62.9% Greek_Macedonia + 37.1% Nogai"               "2.7352"
     [4,] "67.2% Greek_Rumelia + 32.8% Nogai"                 "3.25"  
     [5,] "57.3% Pomak_Greece + 42.7% Turk_Northwest"         "3.335" 
     [6,] "70.3% Pomak_Greece + 29.7% Turkmen_Iran"           "3.4511"
     [7,] "64.6% Greek_Thrace_avg + 35.4% Nogai"              "3.5307"
     [8,] "65.5% Pomak_Greece + 34.5% Ottoman_MA2196"         "3.5734"
     [9,] "61.9% Pomak_Greece + 38.1% Turk_Southwest"         "3.6154"
    [10,] "60.5% Bulgarian_Central + 39.5% Nogai"             "3.6213"
    [11,] "58.4% Albanian_Kosovo + 41.6% Nogai"               "3.704" 
    [12,] "65.4% Pomak_Greece + 34.6% Nogai"                  "3.8343"
    [13,] "66.9% Pomak_Greece + 33.1% Turk_South"             "3.939" 
    [14,] "61.8% Greek_Northeast + 38.2% Nogai"               "3.9793"
    [15,] "63.3% Greek_Thessaloniki + 36.7% Nogai"            "4.012" 
    [16,] "60.4% Pomak_Bulgaria + 39.6% Nogai"                "4.0194"
    [17,] "68.1% Pomak_Greece + 31.9% Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "4.0409"
    [18,] "58.9% Bulgarian_West + 41.1% Nogai"                "4.1028"
    [19,] "52.2% Pomak_Bulgaria + 47.8% Turk_Northwest"       "4.1073"
    [20,] "61.7% Pomak_Greece + 38.3% Turk_West_BlackSea"     "4.3475"
    [21,] "70.3% Bulgarian_East + 29.7% Turkmen_Iran"         "4.3854"
    [22,] "50.6% Bulgarian_West + 49.4% Turk_Northwest"       "4.4102"
    [23,] "57% Pomak_Bulgaria + 43% Turk_Southwest"           "4.4144"
    [24,] "48.3% Romanian + 51.7% Turk_Northwest"             "4.4151"
    [25,] "52.4% Bulgarian_Central + 47.6% Turk_Northwest"    "4.4732"
    [26,] "73.3% Greek_Rumelia + 26.7% Turkmen_TKM"           "4.5153"
    [27,] "56.2% Macedonian + 43.8% Nogai"                    "4.5318"
    [28,] "65.7% Pomak_Greece + 34.3% Turk_Central_West"      "4.5578"
    [29,] "62.1% Pomak_Bulgaria + 37.9% Turk_South"           "4.5937"
    [30,] "77.6% Greek_Rumelia + 22.4% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "4.5992"
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    Statistics so far.



    There is an individual who gets 15.64% EE, from Dobrich, he recently matched with a Tatar very closely so I removed him from the ranking as there is suspicion if he has part Tatar or not.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    New sample from Kardzhali

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    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	North_European	29.29
    2	Caucasus	23.61
    3	Atlantic_Med	23.07
    4	Gedrosia	7.08
    5	Southwest_Asian	6.11
    6	Siberian	3.62
    7	East_Asian	2.95
    8	Southeast_Asian	2.45
    9	South_Asian	1.82
    10	Northwest_African	0.01
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Romanians (Behar)	9.94
    2	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	9.95
    3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	10.93
    4	O_Italian (Dodecad)	14.16
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	17.25
    6	N_Italian (Dodecad)	18.65
    7	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.72
    8	Tuscan (HGDP)	18.9
    9	TSI30 (Metspalu)	18.9
    10	Hungarians (Behar)	20.15
    11	North_Italian (HGDP)	21.63
    12	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	22.41
    13	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	22.46
    14	Sicilian (Dodecad)	22.61
    15	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	22.76
    16	German (Dodecad)	24.24
    17	French (Dodecad)	25.73
    18	French (HGDP)	25.88
    19	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	26.41
    20	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	26.69
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	83.6%	Romanians (Behar)	+	16.4%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	4.73
    2	 	84%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	16%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	5.23
    3	 	80.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	19.1%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.28
    4	 	72.2%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	+	27.8%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	5.32
    5	 	53.9%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	46.1%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.37
    6	 	83.7%	Romanians (Behar)	+	16.3%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	5.51
    7	 	82.6%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	17.4%	Hazara (HGDP)	@	5.59
    8	 	53.7%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	46.3%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	5.64
    9	 	55.2%	German (Dodecad)	+	44.8%	Turkish (Dodecad)	@	5.73
    10	 	81.4%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	18.6%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	5.77
    11	 	56.6%	German (Dodecad)	+	43.4%	Turks (Behar)	@	5.87
    12	 	65.6%	C_Italian (Dodecad)	+	34.4%	Chuvashs (Behar)	@	5.88
    13	 	52.5%	Turks (Behar)	+	47.5%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	5.91
    14	 	84.2%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	15.8%	Uygur (HGDP)	@	5.94
    15	 	78.1%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	21.9%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	5.99
    16	 	88.4%	Romanians (Behar)	+	11.6%	Altai (Rasmussen)	@	6.01
    17	 	80.6%	Romanians (Behar)	+	19.4%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	6.1
    18	 	79.7%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	20.3%	Uzbeks (Behar)	@	6.12
    19	 	88.5%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	11.5%	Altai (Rasmussen)	@	6.15
    20	 	80.2%	Romanians (Behar)	+	19.8%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	6.16
    Code:
      [1,] "79.9% Romanian + 20.1% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"          "2.3644"
     [2,] "81.3% Bulgarian_West + 18.7% Uzbek"                 "2.5084"
     [3,] "78.7% Macedonian + 21.3% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"        "2.5306"
     [4,] "86.4% Bulgarian_West + 13.6% Hazara"                "2.6523"
     [5,] "80.8% Bulgarian_West + 19.2% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"    "2.6663"
     [6,] "78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Turkmen_TKM"                 "2.7002"
     [7,] "86% Bulgarian_Central + 14% Karluk_DA222"           "2.7317"
     [8,] "85.5% Bulgarian_West + 14.5% Karluk_DA222"          "2.7482"
     [9,] "79.5% Macedonian + 20.5% Uzbek"                     "2.7732"
    [10,] "82.1% Bulgarian_Central + 17.9% Uzbek"              "2.791" 
    [11,] "80.8% Romanian + 19.2% Uzbek"                       "2.8033"
    [12,] "77.5% Macedonian + 22.5% Turkmen_TKM"               "2.8042"
    [13,] "82.1% Bulgarian_West + 17.9% Turkmen_Afghanistan"   "2.8073"
    [14,] "87% Bulgarian_Central + 13% Hazara"                 "2.8104"
    [15,] "86.2% Greek_Macedonia + 13.8% Xiongnu-Turk_DA41"    "2.8335"
    [16,] "85.7% Bulgarian_West + 14.3% Uyghur"                "2.8752"
    [17,] "81.6% Greek_Macedonia + 18.4% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA65"   "2.9008"
    [18,] "79.7% Bulgarian_West + 20.3% Turkmen_TKM"           "2.9062"
    [19,] "75.5% Greek_Macedonia + 24.5% Crimean_Tatar_Steppe" "2.9161"
    [20,] "83.7% Bulgarian_West + 16.3% Uzbeks"                "2.9289"
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    New sample from Thessaloniki. (Karacaova? / Almopia?)

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    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	Caucasus	28.63
    2	North_European	28.4
    3	Atlantic_Med	25.92
    4	Southwest_Asian	8.34
    5	Gedrosia	5.77
    6	Siberian	2.44
    7	Southeast_Asian	0.21
    8	Northwest_African	0.17
    9	Sub_Saharan	0.13
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	7.39
    2	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	8.05
    3	Romanians (Behar)	8.32
    4	O_Italian (Dodecad)	9.78
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	11.58
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	14.06
    7	Tuscan (HGDP)	14.69
    8	TSI30 (Metspalu)	14.89
    9	N_Italian (Dodecad)	16.19
    10	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	17.93
    11	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	18.02
    12	Sicilian (Dodecad)	18.05
    13	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	18.3
    14	North_Italian (HGDP)	18.97
    15	Hungarians (Behar)	22.13
    16	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	24.11
    17	Morocco_Jews (Behar)	25.77
    18	German (Dodecad)	26.45
    19	Baleares (1000Genomes)	26.53
    20	French (Dodecad)	26.76
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	68.8%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	31.2%	Mordovians (Yunusbayev)	@	2.69
    2	 	69.8%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Russian (HGDP)	@	2.7
    3	 	73.8%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	26.2%	FIN30 (1000Genomes)	@	2.94
    4	 	74.5%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	25.5%	Finnish (Dodecad)	@	3.02
    5	 	67.9%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	32.1%	Mixed_Slav (Dodecad)	@	3.19
    6	 	53.6%	German (Dodecad)	+	46.4%	Cypriots (Behar)	@	3.23
    7	 	54.8%	Cypriots (Behar)	+	45.2%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	3.25
    8	 	69.4%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	30.6%	Russian_B (Behar)	@	3.32
    9	 	68.7%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	31.3%	Mordovians (Yunusbayev)	@	3.43
    10	 	69.8%	Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	30.2%	Russian (HGDP)	@	3.49
    11	 	58.1%	Hungarians (Behar)	+	41.9%	Cypriots (Behar)	@	3.58
    12	 	66.3%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	33.7%	Ukranians (Yunusbayev)	@	3.64
    13	 	69.7%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	30.3%	Belorussian (Behar)	@	3.65
    14	 	74.1%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	25.9%	Lithuanians (Behar)	@	3.65
    15	 	54.9%	Cypriots (Behar)	+	45.1%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	3.67
    16	 	67.3%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	32.7%	Polish (Dodecad)	@	3.68
    17	 	55.3%	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	+	44.7%	Hungarians (Behar)	@	3.7
    18	 	58.6%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	41.4%	O_Italian (Dodecad)	@	3.71
    19	 	72.7%	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	+	27.3%	Lithuanian (Dodecad)	@	3.72
    20	 	82%	Greek (Dodecad)	+	18%	FIN30 (1000Genomes)	@	3.76
    Code:
     [1,] "88.9% Greek_Thessaloniki + 11.1% Chuvash"         "2.0509"
     [2,] "88.7% Greek_Northeast + 11.3% Chuvash"            "2.1303"
     [3,] "35.2% Greek_Northeast + 64.8% Bulgarian_East"     "2.1887"
     [4,] "53.8% Greek_Northeast + 46.2% Pomak_Greece"       "2.2052"
     [5,] "90.3% Greek_Thrace_avg + 9.7% Chuvash"            "2.2088"
     [6,] "86.8% Greek_Thessaloniki + 13.2% Tatar_Kazan"     "2.2168"
     [7,] "28.6% Albanian + 71.4% Bulgarian_East"            "2.2215"
     [8,] "35.7% Greek_Thessaloniki + 64.3% Bulgarian_East"  "2.2438"
     [9,] "34.9% Greek_Thessaloniki + 65.1% Greek_Macedonia" "2.2875"
    [10,] "38.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 61.5% Bulgarian_East"    "2.3005"
    [11,] "62.1% Greek_Macedonia + 37.9% Greek_Thrace_avg"   "2.313" 
    [12,] "33.9% Greek_Northeast + 66.1% Greek_Macedonia"    "2.3209"
    [13,] "60.4% Greek_Thrace_avg + 39.6% Bulgarian_West"    "2.3323"
    [14,] "65.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 34.5% Romanian"          "2.3467"
    [15,] "56.1% Greek_Thrace_avg + 43.9% Bulgarian_Central" "2.3582"
    [16,] "55.2% Greek_Northeast + 44.8% Pomak_Bulgaria"     "2.3628"
    [17,] "86.6% Greek_Northeast + 13.4% Tatar_Kazan"        "2.3651"
    [18,] "85.6% Albanian + 14.4% Chuvash"                   "2.3737"
    [19,] "82.2% Romanian + 17.8% Nusayri_Turkey"            "2.3838"
    [20,] "88.5% Greek_Thrace_avg + 11.5% Tatar_Kazan"       "2.3951"
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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    I've read that Deliorman(Northern Bulgaria & Southern Romania) Turks are mainly from Chepni clan of Oghuz Turks, got it via Turkish Wikipedia. But Anatolian Chepnis(from all regions of Turkey) have the highest Mongoloid after Aegean Turks, while Deliorman Turks have a lot less than them. It seems Balkan Chepnis are way more mixed than Anatolian ones

    I've read that Gagauz are Chepnis that settled in Moldovia/NE Romania and then later got Christianized
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sora View Post
    I've read that Deliorman(Northern Bulgaria & Southern Romania) Turks are mainly from Chepni clan of Oghuz Turks, got it via Turkish Wikipedia. But Anatolian Chepnis(from all regions of Turkey) have the highest Mongoloid after Aegean Turks, while Deliorman Turks have a lot less than them. It seems Balkan Chepnis are way more mixed than Anatolian ones

    I've read that Gagauz are Chepnis that settled in Moldovia/NE Romania and then later got Christianized
    Deliorman or any other Turkish region in the Balkans can not be generalized by using the pattern "mostly x". Chepni were present in Deliorman while they were not present in Thrace and Macedonia, but were they majority? Not likely. Chepni migrations roots to the 16-17th centuries: Celali expelling of Alevi tribes. At the same time, many other tribes from the Inner Anatolia as well as Southern and Western Anatolia were expelled to the Deliorman. Before that, there were already Turkic population living that is consisted of Yörüks, sedentary Turks(originated from the earlier Karesi-Kayı-Karaman migrations.) as well as Tatars. Plus, there were already followers of Sarı Saltuk when those early Turks had come(they could be Chepni though). In addition, there were Kipchaks when Sarı Saltuk and his followers arrive, and they mixed with them as well. In this sense, Chepni's are just one of the sources among all Turkic input's that has an impact on Deliorman.

    For Gagauz being Chepni, it is one of the theories that aim to explain the origin of Gagauzes. It might be or it might not. But a correction here is Christianization took place in Eastern Bulgaria, not in Moldova. Probably a great majority of Gagauz converted to Islam again when Ottomans arrived and created the base layer of Deliorman Turks. The ones who stayed as Christian mixed with Bulgarians and Greeks which will let the Turkic admixture wash out eventually.
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
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    New sample from Deliorman. She did not state the city. (Targovishte?)

    Code:
    Admix Results (sorted):
    
    #	Population	Percent
    1	North_European	26.6
    2	Caucasus	26.23
    3	Atlantic_Med	20.57
    4	Gedrosia	10.46
    5	Southwest_Asian	6.17
    6	Siberian	4.52
    7	East_Asian	2.73
    8	South_Asian	1.52
    9	Southeast_Asian	1.16
    10	East_African	0.03
    
    Single Population Sharing:
    
    #	Population (source)	Distance
    1	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	12.19
    2	Romanians (Behar)	12.93
    3	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	13.48
    4	O_Italian (Dodecad)	14.98
    5	Greek (Dodecad)	16.41
    6	C_Italian (Dodecad)	18.76
    7	Tuscan (HGDP)	19.65
    8	TSI30 (Metspalu)	19.98
    9	Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar)	20.64
    10	S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad)	20.93
    11	N_Italian (Dodecad)	20.98
    12	Ashkenazi (Dodecad)	21.24
    13	Sicilian (Dodecad)	21.25
    14	Nogais (Yunusbayev)	22.76
    15	North_Italian (HGDP)	23.9
    16	Hungarians (Behar)	24.15
    17	Turkish (Dodecad)	25.22
    18	Sephardic_Jews (Behar)	25.84
    19	Turks (Behar)	26.59
    20	Kumyks (Yunusbayev)	26.82
    
    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    
    #	 	Primary Population (source)	Secondary Population (source)	Distance
    1	 	59.2%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.8%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	3.68
    2	 	60.5%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	39.5%	Norwegian (Dodecad)	@	3.92
    3	 	60.4%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	39.6%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	4.12
    4	 	68.9%	Romanians (Behar)	+	31.1%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	4.18
    5	 	59.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	40.9%	Swedish (Dodecad)	@	4.2
    6	 	51.6%	Turks (Behar)	+	48.4%	German (Dodecad)	@	4.44
    7	 	68%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	32%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	4.48
    8	 	69.7%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	30.3%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	4.58
    9	 	70.6%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	29.4%	Turkmens (Yunusbayev)	@	4.78
    10	 	53%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	47%	German (Dodecad)	@	4.96
    11	 	54.8%	Turks (Behar)	+	45.2%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.07
    12	 	72.5%	Bulgarian (Dodecad)	+	27.5%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	5.22
    13	 	53.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	46.7%	Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad)	@	5.33
    14	 	57.3%	Turks (Behar)	+	42.7%	British_Isles (Dodecad)	@	5.57
    15	 	82.6%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	17.4%	Makrani (HGDP)	@	5.58
    16	 	58.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	41.9%	Orkney (1000Genomes)	@	5.65
    17	 	56.2%	Turkish (Dodecad)	+	43.8%	Dutch (Dodecad)	@	5.66
    18	 	56.1%	Turks (Behar)	+	43.9%	CEU30 (1000Genomes)	@	5.7
    19	 	83.2%	Bulgarians (Yunusbayev)	+	16.8%	Balochi (HGDP)	@	5.71
    20	 	71.4%	Romanians (Behar)	+	28.6%	Tajiks (Yunusbayev)	@	5.73
    Code:
     [1,] "69.2% Bulgarian_West + 30.8% Turkmen_Iran"            "2.0026"
     [2,] "76.6% MD_Gagauz + 23.4% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"           "2.0577"
     [3,] "67.7% Romanian + 32.3% Turkmen_Iran"                  "2.1944"
     [4,] "70.6% Bulgarian_Central + 29.4% Turkmen_Iran"         "2.2349"
     [5,] "75.1% Bulgarian_East + 24.9% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"      "2.2434"
     [6,] "75.8% Greek_Rumelia + 24.2% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101"      "2.3042"
     [7,] "74.3% Greek_Macedonia + 25.7% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"     "2.3102"
     [8,] "73.1% Greek_Thessaloniki + 26.9% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101" "2.3554"
     [9,] "72.6% Greek_Macedonia + 27.4% Turkmen_TKM"            "2.3902"
    [10,] "73.5% Bulgarian_East + 26.5% Turkmen_TKM"             "2.4126"
    [11,] "74.8% Greek_Thrace_avg + 25.2% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101"   "2.4681"
    [12,] "81.4% Greek_Rumelia + 18.6% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38"        "2.4708"
    [13,] "70.1% Pomak_Bulgaria + 29.9% Turkmen_Iran"            "2.626" 
    [14,] "73.3% Greek_Macedonia + 26.7% Turkmen_Iran"           "2.6762"
    [15,] "82.6% Bulgarian_Thrace + 17.4% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38"     "2.7054"
    [16,] "77.3% Bulgarian_Thrace + 22.7% Hun_Tian_Shan_DA101"   "2.7231"
    [17,] "74.2% Bulgarian_East + 25.8% Turkmen_Iran"            "2.7232"
    [18,] "72% Bulgarian_Central + 28% Turkmen_Uzbekistan"       "2.7315"
    [19,] "73% Greek_Thessaloniki + 27% Saka_Tian_Shan_DA47"     "2.8062"
    [20,] "80.6% Greek_Thrace_avg + 19.4% Xiongnu-Turk_DA38"     "2.8597"
    qpAdm: Bulgarian_1.DG= 77 - Kimak.SG= 23, p= 0.36, se= 0.31.
    Y: Q-L330 > Q-YP771 > Q-BZ180 > Q-F16045* (F15008*) --> Baikal N, Altai MLBA, Aldy-Bel, Pazyryk, Hun.
    MT: K1a --> Iron Gates, Starcevo, Bulgaria N, Bulgaria CA, Bulgaria BA.

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