Moorish genetic legacy?

[StonyArabia]

You do realize that Israel has good relations with Saudi Arabia despite that Saudi Arabia doesn't have official diplomatic relations with Israel, and that Saudi Arabia takes orders from the Americans who are being controlled by Jewish oligarchs of America and the western world, right? Honestly, it's not up to Jews, Muslims and outsiders in general to decide on running the middle east. Btw, Israel also supported the FSA and even ISIS fighters back in Golan heights as well. Yes, I agree that the monarchs of Saudi Arabia are terrible, but they're not the top. I mean, you honestly think that Saudi Arabia can do whatever it wants without the consent of the Americans? Please.

He believes that Sauds=Saudis, but he does not realize the Saud gave their name to the area. Sure Saudi Arabia has some relation to Israel, but that's the monarchy not the people. The people are not fond of Israel or the Zionist anymore than you or me to be honest. Let's be honest at least that house has produced great leaders like King Fisal who gave the finger to both the Anglo-Euros and the Zionists the finger. This why King Fisal was murdered because he wanted to free his people from Anglo-Euro-Zionist control, and plus he was true nationalist, sadly there are no leaders like him today, but there is always hope.

[Kamal900]

I'm not disagreeing. I just don't think there's anyone to blame other then the uneducated, backward, highly fanatic Muslims of the ME. Israel is doing what it needs to do to survive, ie creating chaos and internal conflicts between muslims so they don't turn on Israel. And it's highly successful.

Well, I'm not blaming anyone for the backwardness of many Muslims these days either, but again, if Israel strives by creating divisions and chaos in the region for their own interests then that's criminal really. I mean, do I have to let a parasite within my body to thrive while my body's dying because the parasite as the right to survive? Again, Israel doesn't really have many enemies, and Jordan and Egypt are completely composite with it. In other words, no justice, no peace. No sir.

[Kamal900]

He believes that Sauds=Saudis, but he does not realize the Saud gave their name to the area. Sure Saudi Arabia has some relation to Israel, but that's the monarchy not the people. The people are not fond of Israel or the Zionist anymore than you or me to be honest. Let's be honest at least that house has produced great leaders like King Fisal who gave the finger to both the Anglo-Euros and the Zionists the finger. This why King Fisal was murdered because he wanted to free his people from Anglo-Euro-Zionist control, and plus he was true nationalist, sadly there are no leaders like him today, but there is always hope.

Indeed. I was not saying the Saudi people are bad. I was just saying the puppet monarchies of Arabia and Jordan that are the problem. If anything really, most people of Arabia want these people gone.

[Aren]

Well, I'm not blaming anyone for the backwardness of many Muslims these days either, but again, if Israel strives by creating divisions and chaos in the region for their own interests then that's criminal really. I mean, do I have to let a parasite within my body to thrive while my body's dying because the parasite as the right to survive? Again, Israel doesn't really have many enemies, and Jordan and Egypt are completely composite with it. In other words, no justice, no peace. No sir.

Yes if you can't find a way to get rid of it then the parasite will win and it will kill you. That's how the world works. You can call it criminal but it's smart from the Zionists, cause lets be honest if they tried living peacfully in their own nation it would only be a matter of time before another Jewish genocide occurred in the hands of the muslims. There's no reasoning with the fanatics of the ME. They need to be treated the way Israel is doing, that's what they are worth.

[Sp_loa]

1/6 Iberian ? In which test ?
According to K13, the closest Europeans populations are Sicilians, Italians from Abruzzo and Greeks but they're still far (between 24 and 29). None of them is Iberian.
In the "Mixed Mode population", I have various Iberian-population (Sardinian and French as well) but it's always lower than 5%.

7 of 8 great-grandparents were Berbers from the Atlas mountains. One of them was from the Arabized Berbers of Northwestern Morocco. They usually score highest "Iberian/European" than the Moroccan average, whether due to ancient affinities or too more recent admixture (Romanized Iberians and Islamized Iberians) that have settled in North Africans cities.
I guess this great-grandfather is increasing my European-like component.

My Y-DNA's clade is supposed to have came from Iberia, but it has done so in ancient times (likely about 3500 years ago). I guess it doesn't really affect my Autosomal.
Note that the great-grandfather who was from Northern Morocco wasn't my Y-ancestor but rather my father's maternal grandfather.

DNA.Land: 17% Southwestern Europe= (Iberia)

I wonder if my Berber Admixture is fro, pure Berbers or Arabized Berbers. The mixture between North-African Jews ("Berber-Jews") happened way before Arabs and Islam arrived into North-Africa.

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

DNA.Land: 17% Southwestern Europe= (Iberia)

I wonder if my Berber Admixture is fro, pure Berbers or Arabized Berbers. The mixture between North-African Jews ("Berber-Jews") happened way before Arabs and Islam arrived into North-Africa.

Believe me. I've seen a lot of Moroccans results on DNA.land and I noticed 17% isn't really higher than the Moroccan average. Imo, DNA.land tends to overestimate the European component.
I really think it has to do with ancient genetic affinities.

PS : the 17% Southwestern Europe includes 4% Sardinian.
On K36, I score :
-7,19% West Med (Sardinian). Moroccans usually score about 7%.
- 15,02% Iberian. The Moroccan average would be about 13-14%. Berbers from the Middle Atlas usually score 15-16%.
As you can see, my Iberian / Sardinian "component" isn't higher than the average.

[Sp_loa]

Believe me. I've seen a lot of Moroccans results on DNA.land and I noticed 17% isn't really higher than the Moroccan average. Imo, DNA.land tends to overestimate the European component.
I really think it has to do with ancient genetic affinities.

PS : the 17% Southwestern Europe includes 4% Sardinian.
On K36, I score :
-7,19% West Med (Sardinian). Moroccans usually score about 7%.
- 15,02% Iberian. The Moroccan average would be about 13-14%. Berbers from the Middle Atlas usually score 15-16%.
As you can see, my Iberian / Sardinian "component" isn't higher than the average.

Oh. I guess most Berbers have European Ancestry from ancient times

[Iẓeḍwan n Nanna-Tuda]

Oh. I guess most Berbers have European Ancestry from ancient times

IAM : Early Moroccan Neolithic
KEB : Late Moroccan Neolithic

Read more at https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...91569.full.pdf

[User50]

I though this afro-centric view was trashed with the study that tested some Egyptian mummies and they turned out to be significantly less East African than modern day Egyptians.

Nobody (except for you) disputes that Nubians conquered Egypt and set up their 26th dynasty for about 100 years. Not sure why you're denying it.

However, nobody except for Afrocentrists thinks the other Egyptian dynasties were black. And frankly the Nubian dynasty was well past the pyramids and Egypts glory days.

[Mmmmm]

A very small percentage.