Turkey - Nation of Atheists

[Halgurd]

What about me lol? How old are you? Do you have an idea about civic nationalism?

If you have both ancestries then you are part Turkish and part Kurdish. Otherwise there is no such thing as a Turkish Kurd. It is a contradiction in every sense of the word.

Do not come to me with the “Turkish is a nationality”. We both know that in reality that is not how people see it.

[Halgurd]

Seems i have angered some wolves. Kolay gelsin.

[Hapanuwa]

I agree lol

What do you think about the reign of the Shah before the revolution? And do you think that Iran needs its own Atatürk and would you support the secularization of Iran the hard way? I think Iran is a beautiful country and would like to hear the opinion of an Iranian.

[Marmara]

I think you are doing great even with a Theocracy but it could way better without. From what I learned is that revolutionary guards control and own huge parts of economic branches and since they are not in any competition they do it very ineffective, they formed a state in the state.

You would do better with more moderate leaders and the abolishing of the revolutionary guard especially their influence on any non militaristic matter.

They can't do that peacefully, that's a problem.

No I’m an Iraqi Kurd. Your army bombs my region on a daily basis, so it is no longer about Kurds in Turkey only. Turkey has about 15 military bases in Iraq all to “combat the PKK”. It is nothing but an extension of the oppression of Kurds in Turkey. Your army literally wiped out Afrin of its Kurdish population in a matter of months.

You’ve literally wiped out any effective Kurdish opposition by imprisoning HDP MPs and elected mayors, most notoriously that of S. Demirtas who has been in prison for more than 3 years. He was your last hope for a peaceful solution. Ever since his arrest I have lost all hope in any peaceful solution.

It is an existential war for the Kurdish people. You either recognise this and support us as a Turk, or you are a part of it.

Nobody views PKK as a legitimate organization to negotiate with. From Turkish perspective it's the same as ISIS. PKK caused trauma to Turkish minds, that's why don't expect any peaceful resolution between Turkey and PKK, or its branches like YPG.

When it comes to HDP, i'm totally in favor of Kurds being represented in the parliament, that's the only logical way there can be a solution to Kurdish problem.

I support the Kurdish rights in Turkey, but i'm totally against PKK and would never sit on the table with them.

[Teutone]

They can't do that peacefully, that's a problem.



Nobody views PKK as a legitimate organization to negotiate with. From Turkish perspective it's the same as ISIS. PKK caused trauma to Turkish minds, that's why don't expect any peaceful resolution between Turkey and PKK, or its branches like YPG.

When it comes to HDP, i'm totally in favor of Kurds being represented in the parliament, that's the only logical way there can be a solution to Kurdish problem.

I support the Kurdish rights in Turkey, but i'm totally against PKK and would never sit on the table with them.

Thats the problem with the Revolutionary guard, they are a armed cartel hurting the economy and country.

They will never give up their control.

Assad will have the same problem after the war is over, armed militias will take control of certain profitable industries, create a monopoly and end in stagnation and inefficiency.

[Babak]

Thats the problem with the Revolutionary guard, they are a armed cartel hurting the economy and country.

They will never give up their control.

Assad will have the same problem after the war is over, armed militias will take control of certain profitable industries, create a monopoly and end in stagnation and inefficiency.

Yeah i believe the revolutionary guard is one of the biggest reasons why the Iranian economy is pummeling. Its saddening to say the least.

[Hapanuwa]

If you have both ancestries then you are part Turkish and part Kurdish. Otherwise there is no such thing as a Turkish Kurd. It is a contradiction in every sense of the word.

Do not come to me with the “Turkish is a nationality”. We both know that in reality that is not how people see it.

Nonsense. People can be a Turkish Kurd and it does not contradict one another. The man who was a vital part of Turkish nationalism, Ziya Gökalp, was in fact Kurdish/Zaza. Kurds have played an important role in the history of the modern Turkish state. Turkey even had its Turkish president of Kurdish descent (Turgut Özal) and its head of the secret agency is Kurdish as well (Hakan Fidan). To not even mention other famous Turkish-Kurdish people.

I won't say that Kurds always have been treated rightfully but times has changed enormously. Nowadays, a Kurdish Turk can achieve anything as any other Turk. Furthermore, there are many Turkish-Kurdish marriages than ever before. Kurdish people are part of the Turkish mosaic.

Supporting a terrorist organization, acknowledged by both the EU and NATO, does not solve anything and hurts the Kurdish Turks more than it does good.

[Kaspias]

Do not lie to yourself. You know very well that the events in Dersim, Zilan and other places were a form of extermination. Since when was using chemical weapons on unarmed people in caves “suppressing the rebellion”

Here even a Turkish soldier who participated in the massacres, talks about the events.




It’s hard to call a rebellion a rebellion, when the first bullet was fired from your side. We have had tribal authority in Kurdistan for thousands of years, the attack on Dersim was purposeful and can barely be considered a rebellion.



Maybe you forget? Kurdish was prohibited to be spoken for many years in Turkey, hence why so many millions of Kurds are today unable to learn their mother tongue. It’s a form of assimilation which has been successful to some degree. The Turkish name laws were an extension of this as well.



State of Turkey <> Turks. Many Turks serve in the PKK and many Turks have died for the PKK. Our war is not against Turks but against the State of Turkey.

I can also show you some sources from my side who denies your claims and shows what Kurds did in the region, should we go for that pissing contest?

Maybe you forget? Kurdish was prohibited to be spoken for many years in Turkey, hence why so many millions of Kurds are today unable to learn their mother tongue. It’s a form of assimilation which has been successful to some degree. The Turkish name laws were an extension of this as well.

There is no Turkish name law that prevents using Kurdish names btw, there are already a lot of. You just should write it appropriate to the Turkish alphabet. We have been living more problems than you guys in Greece for years but I have seen no one who complaints about such minor things like alphabetic formation. I'm having a hard time finding your claims objective and isolated from an agenda.

It is out of topic anyway

[Halgurd]

Nonsense. People can be a Turkish Kurd and it does not contradict one another. The man who was a vital part of Turkish nationalism, Ziya Gökalp, was in fact Kurdish/Zaza. Kurds have played an important role in the history of the modern Turkish state. Turkey even had its Turkish president of Kurdish descent (Turgut Özal) and its head of the secret agency is Kurdish as well (Hakan Fidan). To not even mention other famous Turkish-Kurdish people.

I won't say that Kurds always have been treated rightfully but times has changed enormously. Nowadays, a Kurdish Turk can achieve anything as any other Turk. Furthermore, there are many Turkish-Kurdish marriages than ever before. Kurdish people are part of the Turkish mosaic.

Supporting a terrorist organization, acknowledged by both the EU and NATO, does not solve anything and hurts the Kurdish Turks more than it does good.

[Kaspias]

Is this really what you want?