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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Russian living standard was pretty similar to Croatian but idk how sanctions impacted it now.
    It made it worse to some degree. War always impacts economy. But yeah, a good point!
    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Turkey.
    There are similarities yes. Do you consider Turkey as a more developed country than Brazil or are these places just too hard to compare?

    I think these countries remind each other to some degree because of the gap between rich and poor, not being fully developed but still not far away from it. All have huge problems what comes to corruption. All have problems with the criminality and the way of ruling is different from what of fully developed countries. They are not much into the rule of law, Brazil being more democratic tho. All of these have chaotic history. Russia is probably more wealthy than others and it's education/input in science is better. Economy sucks like always and here Russia is behind and still learning. I thought Russia could remind Argentina but maybe not after all because Argentina feels more stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capocannoniere View Post
    I've always seen a similarity between Russia and Argentina on standards of living (even seen some apartment blocs here lol). People live better than they think, the education is above average but the brain drain is big. Both are relatively safe too.

    Perhaps in population diversity, it's close to Brazil. A good bit of regional variance in climate, nature, way of living and genetics, but still culturally and linguistically whole. But due to its size and history Russia is just incomparable imo, any comparison I make here is full of flaws.
    Yea we have some similar vibe, Argentina is a warm Russia and even not warm considering the southern territories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Russia has high education level and good engineering power, but standards vary geographically. Talent people. What sucks is consumer good production and consumer market.
    Yes. Without the revolution this could have been better.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    Fuck consumerism / ultra materialism.
    How it this related to the topic or being a fully developed economy? But if we start talking then I'm not talking that Russia need salaries of Norwegians or that spending money could satisfy our inner souls. I'm talking about basic needs of millions of the people, this includes clean houses, schools and hospital with good air and no mold problems, stable salaries even for cleaners (because even if Russia you need money to survive), less gaps between poor and rich etc. I'm not here asking why Russia does not have more oligarchs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    Yea we have some similar vibe, Argentina is a warm Russia and even not warm considering the southern territories.
    Do you live in Argentina? I think Russia has more problems dealing with criminals. I have a feeling that Argentina is more like a Portugal or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    Do you live in Argentina? I think Russia has more problems dealing with criminals. I have a feeling that Argentina is more like a Portugal or something.
    What do you mean with "dealing with criminals"? If you consider everyday crime, Russian ethnic regions of central and southern Russia (majority of population lives there) are very safe, safer than lots of European capitals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandor View Post
    What do you mean with "dealing with criminals"? If you consider everyday crime, Russian ethnic regions of central a d southen Russia (majority of population lives there) are very safe, safer than lots of European capitals.
    I was referring to Russian post Soviet history overall and high criminal rates. I agree that today it is not as bad as in 90's but still behind Scandinavia let's say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    It made it worse to some degree. War always impacts economy. But yeah, a good point!

    There are similarities yes. Do you consider Turkey as a more developed country than Brazil or are these places just too hard to compare?

    I think these countries remind each other to some degree because of the gap between rich and poor, not being fully developed but still not far away from it. All have huge problems what comes to corruption. All have problems with the criminality and the way of ruling is different from what of fully developed countries. They are not much into the rule of law, Brazil being more democratic tho. All of these have chaotic history. Russia is probably more wealthy than others and it's education/input in science is better. Economy sucks like always and here Russia is behind and still learning. I thought Russia could remind Argentina but maybe not after all because Argentina feels more stable.
    It is not easy to compare. At first glance Turkey doesn't have as much crime as Brazil but it has terrorism, a decades-long problem with Kurdish pro separatist factions. Turkey seems to be more unstable politically, it has coup attempts almost every decade and a more autocratic government too. Both countries have quite poor regions but Brazil perhaps has more extreme poverty in some more isolated regions, which also might be a result of the country's sheer size. Corruption seems to be rampant in either country but Russia is by far the most corrupt nation out of the three. In terms of education Russia performs better than Turkey or Brazil. Brazil probably has the worst educated citizens on average but their universities are better than that of Turkey and their upper middle-class and upper class is more successful, educated and entrepreneurial compared to that of Turkey. I do not know if Russia on average has better universities (probably not) but I would be surprised if they had one that comes even close to USP (University of São Paulo).

    A simplistic analysis, but if we take into account the present, Russia is the worst off by far since it is currently a pariah state while Brazil and Turkey with all their problems are still seen as countries with future potential.
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    Argentina

    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    their upper middle-class and upper class is more successful, educated...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Brazil and Turkey with all their problems are still seen as countries with future potential
    Você certamente não sabe o que falas... não há potencial algum no Brasil em termos de desenvolvimento sócio-econômico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    It is not easy to compare. At first glance Turkey doesn't have as much crime as Brazil but it has terrorism, a decades-long problem with Kurdish pro separatist factions. Turkey seems to be more unstable politically, it has coup attempts almost every decade and a more autocratic government too. Both countries have quite poor regions but Brazil perhaps has more extreme poverty in some more isolated regions, which also might be a result of the country's sheer size. Corruption seems to be rampant in either country but Russia is by far the most corrupt nation out of the three. In terms of education Russia performs better than Turkey or Brazil. Brazil probably has the worst educated citizens on average but their universities are better than that of Turkey and their upper middle-class and upper class is more successful, educated and entrepreneurial compared to that of Turkey. I do not know if Russia on average has better universities (probably not) but I would be surprised if they had one that comes even close to USP (University of São Paulo).

    A simplistic analysis, but if we take into account the present, Russia is the worst off by far since it is currently a pariah state while Brazil and Turkey with all their problems are still seen as countries with future potential.
    The problem with our education is that it's extremely exclusive. While USP is very good, it's close to impossible to enter in a non-meme course without years of studying after graduating high school. The mass in Brazil has to deal with shitty expensive private institutions, and our average professional has will, but does not have the tools to do stuff well.

    Funny that in Argentina it's the exact opposite. People are very scientific in the stuff they do as you can enroll easily in a quality public uni (Other than med school that has been swarmed by we the migrants and runs on very low resources. I do my studies on a private uni here due to that), but have no ambition whatsoever (anecdotal evidence).
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    Another thread from the main expert on Russia, who once again tells us how we suffer.
    We will never be like you, but since we are neighbors, we will be forced to study you.

    The main consolidating principle of Westerners is systemic racism (the same primitive biology, in the wild every species is a racist). Additionally - clannishness, as increased loyalty to a separate privileged brood. Individual "advanced" representatives and groups of them have learned to consolidate on the subject, creating structures such as "gang" (corporations, as a modern example).
    In social studies, Westerners like to look for answers in the wild and draw parallels with the animal world, which leads to certain thoughts.
    The icing on the cake is the notorious liberalism, as the "law of the jungle" in a modern reading. The so-called "elites" practice mutual incriminating evidence, apparently the only thing that can "cement" their pack and stop the internal squabbling.
    Their main "civilizational" achievement - they adapted to share the stolen without stabbing (and even then not always), which is proudly called democracy, and, due to their stupidity, is considered inaccessible to the rest ("lower" races). On a practical level, they exist due to three "s": stealing, selling, showing. Whatever a Westerner talks to you about, he thinks about money (more often about yours).

    Of interest for study are, for the most part (in order to develop countermeasures), the main fraudulent schemes and techniques for manipulating consciousness (most of them have long been known and borrowed from gypsies and ordinary scammers, but not only). Although, studying the standard racist-egocentric “firmware” of a Westernoid can also make practical sense.

    2 hot Finnish guys, stop analyzing Russia already, you're not doing well. Your views are largely outdated, and the West is already being replaced by an unattractive post-West.

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