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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    Assad is Iran's sole ally in the region, so getting rid of him and installing some weak, pro-US puppet would put Iran under more pressure and basically encircle them with countries that are either US allies or host American military bases. In the mind of armchair generals, it benefits the US by eradicating Iran's only ally in the region while strengthening both Saudi Arabia and Israel at the same time. As a foreign policy realist, I think it's all madness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laberia View Post
    I don't think that the primary interest for USA is to put Iran under pressure.
    Putting pressure on Iran is definitely up there. It's not the only immediate reason but Iran also factors into some of the other reaons why the US destroyed Syria. It makes perfect sense to neutralise all of Iran's allies, to weaken the country as much as possible by various means including isolation, before eventually going to war with Iran. The destruction of Syria has cost Iran dearly. For a supposedly strong state actor, Iran has proven rather inept at fighting ISIS, with the loss of several senior officers and overall body count in the thousands, and it's still not over.

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    LOL...Iran and USA are natural allies, only thing in the way are Jews who run the US who want to weaken Iran for Israel's sake, and use America as their attack dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    LOL...Iran and USA are natural allies, only thing in the way are Jews who run the US who want to weaken Iran for Israel's sake, and use America as their attack dog.
    Especially with Jews like Jared Kushnar who happened to be a very pro-Israel Zionist jew and the son-in-law to Donald Trump, and that he is the political advisor to the Trump administration. His family also were giving money to the Chabad movement in America which used to be led by a very hateful Orthodox Jewish rabbi who despised Gentiles as subhumans and etc.


    Trump is slowly becoming the next George W.Bush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    LOL...Iran and USA are natural allies, only thing in the way are Jews who run the US who want to weaken Iran for Israel's sake, and use America as their attack dog.
    Do you really believe that "the Jews" are the only thing in the way?

    Talk of the US and Iran being "natural allies" sounds great but I don't think there's much substance to it in the real world. Despite supposedly being natural allies, Iran never had a great relationship with the US or UK. Outside a brief golden age under Nixon, when Iran was allowed to spread its wings in the Gulf, the Iranians deeply resented their loss of sovereignty.

    To use the word ally also glosses over the gross power imbalance between Iran and any major world power. Iran will always be the subservient party.

    The experience under the Shah and the current regime doesn't inspire much confidence that Iran could ever be comfortable as the junior partner in a relationship with a global power, although a major regime change might help.

    Anyway, there is no doubt in my mind that the Western hostility towards Syria has strong ties to Iran, and also to Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    LOL...Iran and USA are natural allies, only thing in the way are Jews who run the US who want to weaken Iran for Israel's sake, and use America as their attack dog.
    To weaken Iran for Israel and the Arab Gulf States. Although I wouldn't say Israel runs the US but rather the Israeli Lobby is the most powerful in the US and its influence is huge. ISIS is more interested in taking out Shiite Muslims than Jews. The Saudis are perfectly fine with this situation considering Iran and its friendship with other Shiites is the only threat to them and so hence the revelation by Hilary in her e-mails that the Saudis are funding ISIS despite the overt hostility. Saudis are perfectly content with the existence of Israel as a propaganda tool to distract their own people. Israel is more worried about Iran and Shiites than it ever could be of Sunnis or the Saudis. Both Saudis and Israel are tied to the US government: oil interests with regards to the Saudis and financially powerful Israeli Lobby with regards to Israel. Neither will undermine their own relationship with the US by targeting each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    LOL...Iran and USA are natural allies, only thing in the way are Jews who run the US who want to weaken Iran for Israel's sake, and use America as their attack dog.
    There can not be alliance with the greatest shaitan. righteous mujahideen will never agree with it and will never stop doing jihad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    It's not my 'interpretation.' There is a written record that isn't vague.




    I didn't say he wouldn't use chemical weapons. I said it doesn't make sense to do so. He's winning. It makes no sense to draw the world's ire by using chemical weapons on civilians. My dad told me he was watching Spanish television and a Spanish general being interviewed said the same thing as I'm writing to you: it makes no sense.

    Even if he had what is there to gain for the US? Haven't you noticed that when the US meddles in the Middle East it doesn't get better but worse. I'm not particularly worried about Russian or Chinese Imperialism in the area. They wouldn't fare any better. Afghanistan wasn't a fun ordeal for the Soviets.




    I don't care what the Chinese media says. I don't care what the US or Russian media says. What I care is what people like that general who don't have a dog in the fight have to say. That Assad isn't a fool is good reason to believe he wouldn't do something that isn't necessary but would hurt his objective. There is no gain for Assad to use chemical weapons on civilians when he's winning.
    The difference in our perception on Assad as a dictator caused the divergent opinions on the culpability of Assad in chemical attacks. It happened before in 2013 twice, the agent was also sarin gas, culprit remains a mystery untill these days. The fact is nobody seems to really care about finding the culprit untill today. If Assad was not in anyway involved, he could be in much better moral ground but he seems to be reluctant to exploit the chances. Whether he is winning I am not quite sure, because Israel is his enemy too, Russia had been silent in the face of Israeli airstrikes on Assad`s facilities. Overall, Assad was just in an adventaged situation against his own rebels, not against the general people who are his enemies. You have overestimated Assad`s victory and underestimated his war tactics, given a critically disaventaged situation but adventaged military front, he could have done anything.

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    that wasnt ross btw

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    By the way and why destructions were such weak?
    Russia declares that only 23 tomahawks have reached the airport. Where 36 more tomahawks were gone?

    The USA made statements that all tomahawks have reached allegedly. But on weak destructions it is weak to be trusted in these statements.

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    The difference in our perception on Assad as a dictator caused the divergent opinions on the culpability of Assad in chemical attacks
    What sense was to Assad was to use chemical weapon?
    To draw upon itself the attack and to create problems for Russia?

    Poorly to be trusted in it. More similar to provocation which the USA has arranged.
    Quite perhaps the USA are involved in this chemical attack.

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