Aromanians/Vlachophones in Greece/Balkans

[Faklon]

Here's something in Greek I was reading on the subject,includes some maps in pages 65-73.

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[Kale]

Vlachophone? Is that like a musical instrument or something?

[Faklon]

Vlachophone? Is that like a musical instrument or something?

Music speaks.

[Faklon]

https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/enh/...s/almyros.html

(The following material was adopted and modified from the book Magnesia: The story of civilization by G. Hourmouziadis, P. Asimakopoulou-Atzaka, and K.A. Makris, A.G. Leventis Foundation, 25, Herodou Atticou, GR-106 74 Athens. Every friend or traveler of Magnesia should read this book!).

Following the liberation of the region from Ottoman dominion, there were noteworthy demographic changes in Almyros, especially in terms of the composition of the population. The greater part of the Turkish population left region. Many families of Vlachs, who in the past had annually migrated to the region only to winter there, became permanent residents. In 1907, 1,700 Greek families are recorded to have settled there after having left Eastern Romylia. Of these, some 900 families settled in the neighborhood of Euxeinoupolis, while the remaining 800 families established themselves in the quarter known as Nea Anchialos. Both settlements were built by the Greek state. But the difficulties attending their relocation and settlement and the limited amount of arable land available forced at least half of the newly arrived families to leave the region and seek their fortune elsewhere.

http://almyros.vlahoi.net/

[Renekton]

From Roman Era.

The majority of illyria prefecture romancized during that period

Take a look about that:

[kingmob]

I would like to add that Greek speaking Vlach groups (the term being used as an ethnonym and exonym both) speak the Ioanninan dialect, from Thessaly all the way to Thrace.

[kingmob]

Laonicos Chalcondyles, the great Byzantine historian and ethnographer, refers to the Vlachs who reside in Pindus and Thessaly as Dacians, and by using the term Vrach, prefix of Vr- rather than Vl-.

I find it very interesting because my granddad's village was called as Vrach-ori/Vrach-ohori ("Vrach village") by the locals themselves, the split of this group in Thrace from the Thessalian/Epirotan source must have happened before the linguistic evolution of the term.

[Nurzat]

aren't Vlachs just Latinized Greeks (through Latin speaking imports from the Empire). they must have moved north of the Danube pretty late. Romanians seem to be genetically part Medieval Greek part Old Slavic for the most, in a gradient which goes from more Greek in the southwest to more Slavic in the northeast. and with an important addition of Modern Greeks from 18th to 20th centuries.

in Romania Aromanians don't mix with other groups in general and are known to have money and do business. not all Romanians consider them to be Romanian, many refer to them as Greeks. their traditional music is also very Greek sounding and they often got Greek names, including first names, like Hristu, Ianis, Iorgu

[kingmob]

aren't Vlachs just Latinized Greeks (through Latin speaking imports from the Empire). they must have moved north of the Danube pretty late. Romanians seem to be genetically part Medieval Greek part Old Slavic for the most, in a gradient which goes from more Greek in the southwest to more Slavic in the northeast. and with an important addition of Modern Greeks from 18th to 20th centuries.

in Romania Aromanians don't mix with other groups in general and are known to have money and do business. not all Romanians consider them to be Romanian, many refer to them as Greeks. their traditional music is also very Greek sounding and they often got Greek names, including first names, like Hristu, Ianis, Iorgu

Τhat is indeed a useful contribution, ie the attitudes of Romanians towards Vlachs and how they are calling them Greeks.

I can hypothesize that the regional split of the Vlach settlers in Greece, in relation to those in Moldova/Wallachia, was old enough so as to create a distinctive barrier between the two, one that eventually solidified into different medieval then modern identities. That was probably the case also with Arvanites and Albanians, as well as Slavic Macedonians and Bulgarians. I also believe that the Phanariote establishment could have had a role in this, due to is influence over matters in Wallachia.

All of this requires further discourse, but as a hypothesis I believe it could provide some insight.

[Daco Celtic]

I'm sending myself to my Joe Rogan brand (TM) isolation tank as self-imposed punishment for having missed such a prominent Vlach related thread. This isn't who I am. After a couple days I believe I can contribute something more meaningful and less self-centered but right now I need time to think.