Millions of Hungarians lost, 1920

[Universe]

They are pro-Modern Hungary, a mostly Germanic inhabited

Where did you get this from? The number of Germans living in Hungary actually decreased in the 20the century. They were chased from the country after the Soviet-backed socialist government took over the country, the same happened in your Poland. However even before that it wasn't mostly inhabitted by Germans.

western run state with some old eastern mentality still surviving.

In what way was Hungarian mentality more eastern in 18th, 19th and 20th centuries? The country was completely under Austrian occupation since the expulsion of Turks (late 1600s).

And when they controlled my region for 123 years it was Austro Hungarian Empire, not just Austrian.

Austria-Hungary didn't even last half that long. The compromise between Hungarians and Austrians happened in 1867 and the dual state was dissolved in 1918. That's 51 years.

Now Hungary is more Austrian than anything,

Austrians would either find that comment insulting to them or would laugh at you. No, it's not Austrian, it's very much hungarian.

Why are you spreading so much misinformation?

[Dick]

Where did you get this from? The number of Germans living in Hungary actually decreased in the 20the century. They were chased from the country after the Soviet-backed socialist government took over the country, the same happened in your Poland. However even before that it wasn't mostly inhabitted by Germans.

Weren't some if not most also assimilated as well?

[Universe]

Weren't some if not most also assimilated as well?

Majority of them were chased from the country. Some were assimilated, but slovaks, croats, serbs, romanians, jews were also assimilated. So germans aren't that special in this respect. The word Balaton( it's a lake in Western Hungary) has slavic origin. Where are the slavic speakers in that area now? Nowhere.

[Nurzat]

Sure, it could have been done, like our friends Serbs and Ukrainians do it to us. In Serbia Romanians are split into Vlachs and Romanians, even though all Vlachs in Serbia are Romanians (not Aromanians). The same for Ukrainians who split Romanians into Moldovans and Romanians.

We could have done it to diminish the political clout of Hungarians in Romania, but this isn't our intent. We're nice and preserving the Hungarian identity and heritage in Transylvania is perfectly fine. The state shouldn't force an identity (any identity) onto its citizens - like Hungary did in the past.

but Romania is doing it too - dividing Ukrainians into Rusyns and Ukrainians and Hungarians into Csango and Hungarian.

plus, the fact that Szeklers preserved so well their language and culture is 100% because of the Szeklers', not thanks to Romania - the Szeklers are a monolith and stayed pride of their identity (they have Hungarian language radio stations, newspapers and most importantly full K12 schooling), comparing to my own Ukrainian community, within which most are ashamed or afraid to declare themselves Ukrainian so even in my compact region of only-Ukrainian villages maybe 1/5 declare themselves, there's many villages with 0 Ukrainians at the census and 0 Romanians in real life, I mean if you stop by to buy something from a store there you'd only hear Ukrainian. so I very much respect the way Szeklers preserve their identity. I even have/had close relatives married to Szeklers in their land and their kids were raised as Szekler.

[Blondie]

what do you mean by ethnic revision?

This:



And we should to resettle hungarians from Cluj, south Transylvania, Moldavia (csángó) to Satu Mare or Székelyland and same numbered romanian should leave this area. It would be 95% hungarian.

[Blondie]

Majority of them were chased from the country. Some were assimilated, but slovaks, croats, serbs, romanians, jews were also assimilated. So germans aren't that special in this respect. The word Balaton( it's a lake in Western Hungary) has slavic origin. Where are the slavic speakers in that area now? Nowhere.

Majority of hungarian germans were assimilated before 2. WW, the german and jewish ethnic group were the both main nationality where the magyarization happened:

"Nearly all middle-class Jews and Germans and many middle-class Slovaks and Ruthenes had been Magyarized.[4] "

In 19. century Budapest (and many other for example Sopron, Pozsony/Bratislava, Temesvár/Timisoara, Brassó/Brasov) was german majority city just like in the most of history:

"The Magyarization of Budapest was rapid[38] and it implied not only the assimilation of the old inhabitants, but also the Magyarization of the immigrants. In the capital of Hungary, in 1850 56% of the residents were Germans and only 33% Hungarians"

The genetic shows that hungarians assimilated/magyarized millions of german ethnicity (and slavs too) between the Medieval Age and 20. century. 29% of hungarian male population has german Y haplogroup:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml

Autosomally hungarians have 10-20% german genetic on average:



The North West European admixture is also came from germans in Hungary:



The german family name is pretty common in Hungary, in my school (not in minority school) every 4. hungarian have such names like Gruber, Bauer, Mayer, Schneider etc.

[Voskos]

In comparison to the number of residents, after Israel, Hungary has the most residents of Jewish origin, outnumbering even the United States, according to recent research based on DNA tests, Israeli news site Yedioth Ahronoth reported. Demographers claim even they were surprised seeing the results.

In total, 1,800,000 people participated in the testing. Out of the 4981 Hungarian participants, 7.6% had at least 25% of Ashkenazi origins, meaning that at least one of their grandparents is Ashkenazi. This ratio is considerably higher than in the US (3.5%), and Canada (3%).

The proportion of those who genetically are at least 10% Ashkenazi is 12.5% in Hungary (4.7% in the US and 4% in Canada). In addition, 4.2% of the samples sent from Hungary showed at least 50% of Ashkenazi ethnic background, compared to the US’s 2.3%.

The considerable discrepancy between the study’s findings and previous estimations shows that in Hungary, there are particularly many people who are not aware of their Jewish roots at all or whose Jewish origins have been kept secret by parents or grandparents due to the shocking memory of the Holocaust or fear of anti-Semitism.

At the same time, Daniel Sztacki, a statistician at the Jewish People Policy Institute (JPPI) who assisted MyHeritage, noted that well-educated populations tend to be more keen to perform these types of genetic tests, as a result, they might be over-represented in the results.

MyHeritage, founded by an Israeli company of the same name, is an online genealogy platform with web, mobile, and software products and services, where users can create family trees, upload and browse through photos, and search through over 9 billion historical records, among other features.
Having considered all this, the study concludes that the final number of Hungarians of at least 50% of Ashkenazi descent reaches 130,000, which is significantly higher than previous estimates.”It is a great surprise for some of the participants, just like for demographers,” Sztacki commented.

Although in the 2013 population census in Hungary only 10,965 people declared themselves Jewish, Professor András Kovács estimated that the number of Hungarians with at least one Jewish parent, in reality, should be between 73,000 and 138,000; and this corresponds to these latest findings of MyHeritage.
https://hungarytoday.hu/hungary-most...ts-dna-israel/

[Universe]

"The Magyarization of Budapest was rapid[38] and it implied not only the assimilation of the old inhabitants, but also the Magyarization of the immigrants. In the capital of Hungary, in 1850 56% of the residents were Germans and only 33% Hungarians"

Doesn't mean much. Modern population of Budapest don't(only) descend from them. Budapest at the time had very low population compared to now. The growth happened mostly because people from other parts of the country settled there.

Autosomally hungarians have 10-20% german genetic on average:

10-20%? That's not much. What about the remaining 80-90%? As I said germans are just one of the many ethnicities we mixed with, not the main source of our ancestry.

The North West European admixture is also came from germans in Hungary:

Not all of it.

The german family name is pretty common in Hungary, in my school (not in minority school) every 4. hungarian have such names like Gruber, Bauer, Mayer, Schneider etc.

Slavic surnames are just as common. Let's not forget hungarians assimilated slavs when surnames weren't even a thing here. There were no surnames in Hungary before 13-14th century. Most of Germans settled in Hungary only in 18th century, while slavs have always been in the country.

[TheMaestro]

[Jana]

but Romania is doing it too - dividing Ukrainians into Rusyns and Ukrainians and Hungarians into Csango and Hungarian.

plus, the fact that Szeklers preserved so well their language and culture is 100% because of the Szeklers', not thanks to Romania - the Szeklers are a monolith and stayed pride of their identity (they have Hungarian language radio stations, newspapers and most importantly full K12 schooling), comparing to my own Ukrainian community, within which most are ashamed or afraid to declare themselves Ukrainian so even in my compact region of only-Ukrainian villages maybe 1/5 declare themselves, there's many villages with 0 Ukrainians at the census and 0 Romanians in real life, I mean if you stop by to buy something from a store there you'd only hear Ukrainian. so I very much respect the way Szeklers preserve their identity. I even have/had close relatives married to Szeklers in their land and their kids were raised as Szekler.

Rusyn identity is organic and way older than Ukrainian. I know several Rusyns personally and they don't identify as Ukrainian. Ukraine does not respect their identity and automatically treats them as Ukrainians which is unfair.

So comparison is not the best. In this way Romania is much more tolerant towards Rusyns than Ukraine. At least there they can chose what they are.