DNA results of Hungarian forum members

[Mr.G]

What mixed mode population mode calculators works best for Hungarians? Any suggestions? For me like many others the calcs and estimates show very different results. Looking at relatives few Hungarians on gedmatch a smaller amount of Hungarians made a DNA test on an average compared to Western Europe.

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Eurogenes K15 is best for me. What is especially helpful for me is that I have my mother on Gedmatch too. I can see how she scores and from that I can extrapolate my Hungarian father's influence. I thought the K36 nMonte report LukaszM did for me was very good. Maybe someone else here can suggest a non-Eurogenes calc for you to try.

[Turul Karom]

What mixed mode population mode calculators works best for Hungarians? Any suggestions? For me like many others the calcs and estimates show very different results. Looking at relatives few Hungarians on gedmatch a smaller amount of Hungarians made a DNA test on an average compared to Western Europe.

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My calculators I have posted a page or so back would be best. Eurogenes will move everyone western because it focuses on western groups only. Hungary is a mixed area due to historical reasons and the ethnic Magyars were a confederation of peoples that fused into one on the steppes. Calculators that can handle this scope are preferable. Eurogenes will show you what European nations heavily impact you overall, which for your average Hungarian, will be Germanics and Slavs.

[Dunai]

My calculators I have posted a page or so back would be best. Eurogenes will move everyone western because it focuses on western groups only. Hungary is a mixed area due to historical reasons and the ethnic Magyars were a confederation of peoples that fused into one on the steppes. Calculators that can handle this scope are preferable. Eurogenes will show you what European nations heavily impact you overall, which for your average Hungarian, will be Germanics and Slavs.

Modern Hungarians have almost no more steppe influence from Old Hungarians genetically, at least not more than other European people in average. We are a fully European people, thus Eurogenes is the only calculator that can show relevancy, other calculators are for people of mixed ancestry.

[Turul Karom]

Modern Hungarians have almost no more steppe influence from Old Hungarians genetically, at least not more than other European people in average. We are a fully European people, thus Eurogenes is the only calculator that can show relevancy, other calculators are for people of mixed ancestry.

Only someone who believes that we have no "old" connections and flies in the face of several modern studies would advocate for the use of Eurogenes calculators only and not as an ancillary system in conjunction with other calculators which show a true spectrum. Enjoy perpetuating the de-legitimization of Hungarian ancestry in your modern-day "Ship of Theseus" crisis. Carry out your mindset to its ultimate conclusion and any future Trianon would see us all destroyed.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...438-016-1267-z

https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7

[Impaler]

According to my K15 do I have distant Hungarian ancestry?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 20.45
2 North_Sea 15.36
3 Atlantic 14.46
4 Baltic 11.56
5 West_Asian 11.07
6 West_Med 9.46
7 Eastern_Euro 7.23
8 South_Asian 5.98
9 Red_Sea 1.39
10 Siberian 1.15
11 Sub-Saharan 1.06
12 Southeast_Asian 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 9.23
2 Romanian 9.37
3 Greek_Thessaly 9.72
4 Greek 10.93
5 Serbian 11.6
6 Italian_Abruzzo 12.71
7 Ashkenazi 12.99
8 Tuscan 13.64
9 Central_Greek 13.68
10 East_Sicilian 14.39
11 West_Sicilian 14.42
12 North_Italian 16.34
13 Moldavian 16.51
14 South_Italian 16.54
15 Austrian 17.44
16 Hungarian 17.64
17 Croatian 18.41
18 Italian_Jewish 19.98
19 Sephardic_Jewish 20.51
20 French 21.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60% East_German + 40% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.65
2 65.4% Austrian + 34.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.85
3 65.2% Hungarian + 34.8% Iranian_Jewish @ 5.98
4 66.2% Austrian + 33.8% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.03
5 75.9% Serbian + 24.1% Iranian_Jewish @ 6.06
6 60.4% East_German + 39.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.06
7 60.9% East_German + 39.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.2
8 65.9% Austrian + 34.1% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.23
9 61.4% Hungarian + 38.6% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.24
10 66.1% Hungarian + 33.9% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.3
11 51.3% Cyprian + 48.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 6.31
12 56.1% East_German + 43.9% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.34
13 65.7% Hungarian + 34.3% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.36
14 61.8% Austrian + 38.2% Lebanese_Muslim @ 6.4
15 76.5% Serbian + 23.5% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.41
16 64% South_Italian + 36% Finnish @ 6.42
17 76.9% Serbian + 23.1% Kurdish_Jewish @ 6.44
18 64.7% Austrian + 35.3% Assyrian @ 6.46
19 60.6% Hungarian + 39.4% Cyprian @ 6.53
20 82.4% Romanian + 17.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 6.56

Oracle-4

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Cyprian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 6.950079


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +25% Iranian_Jewish +25% West_Sicilian @ 5.669558


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++
1 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cataluna + Turkmen @ 4.937072
2 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Valencia + Turkmen @ 5.113543
3 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Turkmen @ 5.115147
4 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cantabria + Turkmen @ 5.142955
5 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Aragon + Turkmen @ 5.170144
6 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Southwest_French + Turkmen @ 5.185722
7 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian + Iranian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.280100
8 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Murcia + Turkmen @ 5.281090
9 Afghan_Uzbeki + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.281140
10 Afghan_Uzbeki + Lebanese_Druze + Polish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.298117
11 Afghan_Tadjik + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Valencia @ 5.324351
12 Estonian + Iranian + Italian_Jewish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.334054
13 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian + French + Kurdish @ 5.346928
14 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian + French + Iranian @ 5.364188
15 Lebanese_Druze + Polish + Spanish_Cataluna + Turkmen @ 5.364834
16 Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Portuguese + Turkmen @ 5.369460
17 Afghan_Uzbeki + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.387780
18 Afghan_Uzbeki + Lebanese_Druze + South_Polish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.392883
19 Afghan_Uzbeki + Estonian + Lebanese_Druze + Spanish_Aragon @ 5.408109
20 Afghan_Tadjik + Lebanese_Druze + Polish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.412361

[Dunai]

Only someone who believes that we have no "old" connections and flies in the face of several modern studies would advocate for the use of Eurogenes calculators only and not as an ancillary system in conjunction with other calculators which show a true spectrum. Enjoy perpetuating the de-legitimization of Hungarian ancestry in your modern-day "Ship of Theseus" crisis. Carry out your mindset to its ultimate conclusion and any future Trianon would see us all destroyed.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...438-016-1267-z

https://link.springer.com/article/10...520-018-0609-7

On page 6 I posted a link to a blog where someone who is well accustomed with how do Gedmatch calculators work, has clearly stated which calculators should be used based on what your known ancestry is, while using calculators that are not created for the purpose of revealing your known ancestry can be misleading. Modern Hungarians are genetically just as any other Central European population, this is an undeniable fact, therefore why on Earth should a Hungarian use calculators that are meant for people of Euro-Asian or Asian known ancestry? Hope I don't need to state how distant Old Hungarians are from Modern Hungarians genetically.

[Turul Karom]

On page 6 I posted a link to a blog where someone who is well accustomed with how do Gedmatch calculators work, has clearly stated which calculators should be used based on what your known ancestry is, while using calculators that are not created for the purpose of revealing your known ancestry can be misleading. Modern Hungarians are genetically just as any other Central European population, this is an undeniable fact, therefore why on Earth should a Hungarian use calculators that are meant for people of Euro-Asian or Asian known ancestry? Hope I don't need to state how distant Old Hungarians are from Modern Hungarians genetically.

I've read that post. It's all predicated on the idea that Hungarians have no other an entry than "European". This disregards all populations that predate Hungarian arrival and those who arrive afterwards. Cumans, Oghuz, etc, and assumes all "modern" Hungarians have no ancestry from any of these peoples either, let alone the founding Magyars. What you are doing is a logical fallacy called "poisoning the well".

I bet you don't have the same attitude towards other European identities 1000+ years later. Your strawman argument of modern differences between a population 1000 years ago, unless they were living on some desolate island in the Pacific, is so widely applicable that it's silly you'd only leverage it to distance yourself from the Hungarian past.

You also addressed nothing in my posts. Or are these academy scientists pulling the research from thin air? I'm excited for how many posts it will take for someone to post genetic proximity studies of modern European populations, as though that's somehow refuting a point I've made... lol

[Vasconcelos]

On page 6 I posted a link to a blog where someone who is well accustomed with how do Gedmatch calculators work, has clearly stated which calculators should be used based on what your known ancestry is, while using calculators that are not created for the purpose of revealing your known ancestry can be misleading. Modern Hungarians are genetically just as any other Central European population, this is an undeniable fact, therefore why on Earth should a Hungarian use calculators that are meant for people of Euro-Asian or Asian known ancestry? Hope I don't need to state how distant Old Hungarians are from Modern Hungarians genetically.

His study is based on uniparental markers, which really don't matter all that much because they are subject to founder effects. You are right, Hungarians are as European as any of their neighbours, whatever Central Asian ancestry you might have is overall not very relevant. You don't stick out at all, you're just where you're "supposed" to be

[Dunai]

I've read that post. It's all predicated on the idea that Hungarians have no other an entry than "European". This disregards all populations that predate Hungarian arrival and those who arrive afterwards. Cumans, Oghuz, etc, and assumes all "modern" Hungarians have no ancestry from any of these peoples either, let alone the founding Magyars. What you are doing is a logical fallacy called "poisoning the well".

I bet you don't have the same attitude towards other European identities 1000+ years later. Your strawman argument of modern differences between a population 1000 years ago, unless they were living on some desolate island in the Pacific, is so widely applicable that it's silly you'd only leverage it to distance yourself from the Hungarian past.

You also addressed nothing in my posts. Or are these academy scientists pulling the research from thin air? I'm excited for how many posts it will take for someone to post genetic proximity studies of modern European populations, as though that's somehow refuting a point I've made... lol

You are making a major semantic mistake, I hope unwillingly. Population genetic admixture is not the same as Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroup composition. The Gedmatch calculators are solely analyzing the individual's "overall" genetic admixture, meaning in how many percentages did an individual inherit his or her genetic composition that are characteristic to various geographic regions. From an admixture point of view Modern Hungarians are fully European, with 1-2% that are characteristic to none-European regions, which also is similar to other European nations, hence Modern Hungarians are no different from Modern Europeans. While in the same time haplogroups that we inherit (2 in case of men, 1 in case of women) can date to very far away time, as they don't mix up. However Gedmatch calculators are not studying the Y-DNA and mtDNA, but the overall genetic admixture an individual has. So I ask again, what would be the reasonable argument for Hungarians to test themselves using calculators that are not European-shifted, but target people of mixed or other regional ancestry?

[Blondie]

You are making a major semantic mistake, I hope unwillingly. Population genetic admixture is not the same as Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroup composition. The Gedmatch calculators are solely analyzing the individual's "overall" genetic admixture, meaning in how many percentages did an individual inherit his or her genetic composition that are characteristic to various geographic regions. From an admixture point of view Modern Hungarians are fully European, with 1-2% that are characteristic to none-European regions, which also is similar to other European nations, hence Modern Hungarians are no different from Modern Europeans. While in the same time haplogroups that we inherit (2 in case of men, 1 in case of women) can date to very far away time, as they don't mix up. However Gedmatch calculators are not studying the Y-DNA and mtDNA, but the overall genetic admixture an individual has. So I ask again, what would be the reasonable argument for Hungarians to test themselves using calculators that are not European-shifted, but target people of mixed or other regional ancestry?

I'm from Budapest and if i'm going to the streets this is what i see:





The Andrassy street:



Hungarian girls in Kurultaj:



Lacika Kiss the gangster of Újpest:



So i don't know what are you talking about, hungarians are pure 100% asians, don't spread Habsburg propaganda!