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    "There is no Muslim version of 'love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you' or 'if anyone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also'."

    "I have written on numerous occasions that there is no distinction in the American Muslim community between peaceful Muslims and jihadists. While Americans prefer to imagine that the vast majority of American Muslims are civic-minded patriots who accept wholeheartedly the parameters of American pluralism, this proposition has actually never been proven."

    "I have never said that the terrorists' interpretation of Islam is the accurate or correct one. But I have pointed out that the terrorists portray themselves quite successfully among Muslims as the exponents of true and pure Islam, and moderates have mounted no successful response as yet."

    "There is no reliable way for American authorities to distinguish jihadists and potential jihadists from peaceful Muslims."

    "Freedom of speech encompasses precisely the freedom to annoy, to ridicule, and to offend."

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    The real point of Islam is to make you butthurt it seems.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    1. Muhammad fought 58 battles in his lifetime; 57 of them were offensive.
    2. Islamic jihad has got nothing to do with establishing peace. It is about bloody warfare.
    3. The crusades were a 450 years belated small scale defensive reaction to jihad conquests of what was once over half of the Christian world.
    4. Islamic persecution of Christians is Quranically based, and it is in the hadiths and biography of Muhammad. Muhammad ordered on his deathbed that Christians and Jews be expelled from Arabia. Chapter 9: V29 of the Quran gives Muslims an order to fight against Jews and Christians until they are subjugated under Islamic law and pay a tax as willing submission and feel themselves subdued. And I can give you more quotations from the Quran to that effect.
    1. "57 were offensive" and I have explained the reasons they fought ^

    2. Jihad is classified into inner ("greater") jihad, which involves a struggle against one's own base impulses, and external ("lesser") jihad, which is further subdivided into jihad of the pen/tongue (debate or persuasion) and jihad of the sword.

    I was referring to modern-day "Jihadists" who all have a common political ambition: Kicking Europeans out of their countries. If you check the activity of the most known Islamists such as Mujahideen, Hezbollah and Hamas for example. Mujahideen were an American invention to counter the expanding Soviet influence. The mujahideen fought against Soviet and DRA troops during the Soviet–Afghan War (1979–1989). Hezbollah's aims are at "liberating" the Lebanese territory of Israeli occupation and aggression. As for the Hamas movement, they also want to liberate "Palestine" of the Israeli hands.

    None of these people cited religious reasons for fighting or bombing.

    3. Crusades were due to Byzantines calling for help of Muslim Turks conquering Anatolian lands. Then it evolved to taking "The Holy land" of the Muslims who despite being in rule of that land, never persecuted or attacked Christian pilgrims. And I'd like a source for that.

    4. I can quote you in the same time Qur'anic verses that spoke of peace with the People of the Scripture i.e Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, Sabaens etc..

    Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.

    Whether they are the ones who believe (in the Arabian Prophet), or whether they are Jews, Christians or Sabians – all who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and do righteous deeds – their reward is surely secure with their Lord; they need have no fear, nor shall they grieve.

    They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    "There is no Muslim version of 'love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you' or 'if anyone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also'."
    Who spend [in the cause of Allah ] during ease and hardship and who restrain anger and who pardon the people - and Allah loves the doers of good

    However, a person does has a right to defend himself in Islam.

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    Islam promotes hatred and genocide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nazarene View Post
    Islam promotes hatred and genocide
    Islam is genocidal against Jews. There is a hadith in Bukhari that says, "the end times will not come until Muslims kill the Jews. The Jews will hide behind rocks, and even the rocks will call on Muslims to kill the Jews." Muhammad on his deathbed said there is to be no two religions in Arabia (all religion should be for Allah). This is why there are no churches or synagogues in Arabia (now Saudi Arabia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    The Quran is clear in its hostility toward disbelievers:

    (8:12) “(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels… “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”

    The Quran also contains many other belligerent verses, as well as anti-Semitic messages, calls for the killing of gays and apostates, teachings about the inferiority of women, and more.

    One example: it should be common knowledge by now that Hamas aims to obliterate Israel (“from the river to the sea”), an aim that is driven by this Quran verse:

    (2:191) And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

    That the Arab Muslims were not actually “expelled” is not relevant as far as Hamas is concerned; they insist they were expelled, and so this verse applies.

    A few other anti-Semitic passages:

    (5:33) Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land.

    Read in the context of 5:32, 5:33 is a warning to the Jews.

    (5:63) Why do the rabbis and religious scholars not forbid them from saying what is sinful and devouring what is unlawful? How wretched is what they have been practicing.
    (5:64) And the Jews say, “The hand of Allah is chained.” Chained are their hands, and cursed are they for what they say.
    I already quoted, Quranic verses is not as simple to understand, as you are trying to portray here.
    The verses got the situation with it, so stop spreading hate against Islam with your stupid logics.
    What our Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) taught us by his practices and sayings, are enough to explain what our religion is made of:


    Narrated 'Ubada bin As-Samit:

    who took part in the battle of Badr and was a Naqib (a person heading a group of six persons), on the night of Al-'Aqaba pledge: Allah's Apostle said while a group of his companions were around him, "Swear allegiance to me for:

    1. Not to join anything in worship along with Allah.

    2. Not to steal.

    3. Not to commit illegal sexual intercourse.

    4. Not to kill your children.

    5. Not to accuse an innocent person.

    6. Not to be disobedient (when ordered) to do good deed."

    The Prophet (ﷺ) added: "Whoever among you fulfills his pledge will be rewarded by Allah. And whoever indulges in any one of them (except the ascription of partners to Allah) and gets the punishment in this world, that punishment will be an expiation for that sin. And if one indulges in any of them, and Allah conceals his sin, it is up to Him to forgive or punish him (in the Hereafter)." 'Ubada bin As-Samit added: "So we swore allegiance for these." (points to Allah's Apostle) ----- Sahih al-Bukhari 18

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    Allah SWT is the Creator of everything and HE is the strongest.
    He doesn't need humans to spread Islam by force, so keep your stupid quotes with you.

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