Study: Ancient Icelanders mix of Celtic and Norse ancestry

[Peterski]

Even Finnish Swede admitted that thousands of Germans settled in Late Medieval Scandinavia. They were often not North Germans - so autosomally very different from native Scandinavians.

Mannerheim himself was of German ancestry (not Swedish as many people think):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_G...mil_Mannerheim

[Jana]

But the autosomal DNA of modern Icelanders doesn't match that of the 27 ancient samples. The study itself is pointing out that modern day Icelanders are 70% Norse autosomally.

That makes sense, since modern Irish are around 20%+ norse, so if they say they are even split of Irish/Scandinavians it comes to similar amount like being 70% norse in origin.

[Peterski]

That makes sense, since modern Irish are around 20% norse

This might as well be just shared DNA from ancestors of common origin. These estimates often can't be taken literally. If you take them literally then modern Norwegians are about 20% Polish:

[Jana]

This might as well be just shared DNA from ancestors of common origin. These estimates often can't be taken literally. If you take them literally then modern Norwegians are about 20% Polish:

But Vikings did colonize Ireland. There are lot of norse toponyms in Ireland. I think they founded Dublin for example. btw, if this was shared ancestry why don't English or Welsh score it too in such amount ?
this norse input is high in Ireland and Orkneys while Germanic in England and lowland Scotland is more of continental type (Danish/North German)

[Peterski]

But Vikings did colonize Ireland.

But were most likely nowehere near 20%, just like Poles were not 20% in Norway.

[Aren]

Modern day Norwegians also have Celtic ancestry, both from the Viking Age and from later immigrants. After the Viking Age - and especially after the Black Death - Norway welcomed thousands of foreign immigrants including Scots (and other British people), Danes, Germans (including South Germans and East Germans), Swedes, Finns, Dutch, Romani, Russians, Jews, Faroese, Icelanders, Basques, Italians and Belgians. A whole lot of surnames in modern Norway are of Non-Norse origin. This includes many German surnames.

That's the myth you'll hear from leftist Scandinavians who desperately want to be "exotic". If I was to believe the bullcrap I hear from Swedes one would think that modern day Swedes are exclusively a mix of Sami, Wallon, Scots, Finns and Germans. The myth of the Wallonian smiths is so widespread I hear almost everyone claim to be partly Wallon when only 900 Wallons settled in Sweden and 20% of them left by the 17th century. Either way, there's one study on a Viking era woman from Birka in Sweden. She ended being almost identical autosomally to modern day South Swedes.


Modern day South Swedes(from Götaland) are themself extremely close to Danes and Norwegians, so it makes the scenario of Norwegians being anything but Norse quite hard to believe.

[Jana]

But were most likely nowehere near 20%, just like Poles were not 20% in Norway.

You didn't answer why this Norwegian like input is lacking in Cornwall or rest of England ? And how can you know amount of Viking input in Irish ? There is some I1 and Germanic R1b there, not all is from English colonists.

[Peterski]

And that's with probably using modern day Irish and Scots

Why would they use modern samples if there is already a decent amount of ancient samples from the British Isles? They most probably used Iron Age, Roman era and Bronze Age samples.

BTW many Bell Beakers from Bronze Age Britain and Ireland come out as very "autosomally Germanic" on GEDmatch. And obviously they were not Germanic-speakers but other Indo-Europeans.

So as I said, much of this DNA can be shared ancestry from ancient times. Just like most of this 20% of "Polish" in Norway is probably shared Corded Ware DNA unaletered by regional drift.

[Jana]

btw, which study say Norway is 20% Polish like ? I know for Denmark, and actually Polabian Slavs did settle there, but Norway ? Please post a link.

[Peterski]

btw, which study say Norway is 20% Polish like ? I know for Denmark, and actually Polabian Slavs did settle there, but Norway ? Please post a link.

See Supplementary Figure 6.:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-17124-4

https://static-content.springer.com/...MOESM1_ESM.pdf

know for Denmark, and actually Polabian Slavs did settle there

Actual Poles also settled there.

Early Medieval Denmark and Poland were allies and there were Polish mercenaries in Danish armies. Written sources (‘Danish History’ by Saxo Grammaticus) and archaeology confirm this.