SPLIT from "Greeks are immigrating to Turkey" - What do you think of Southern Europe?

[Queen B]

If you live in place that is really nice, like Russia or Scandinavia, you can't imagine how bad Southern Europe is. Even if someone tries to tell you, you will not understand until you've been there. You expect it to be a little bit worse, but it's more similar to Africa.

Hahahhahaha, Russia?

[Raikaswinþs]

I have been to Southern Europe and I think that it sucks. This is not just my opinion, it is shared by a majority of Russians and also by Scandinavians.

It sucks so much that Scandiavians have entire towns populated by Swedes permanently, getting local works, even their own business, sending their children to school. But don't take my word for it, visit Fuengirola. I even know several swedish girls that have spanish husbands and viceversa.

I don't think so, if times are good you should be making more money, women hook for cash not for necessity.

don't underestimate the necessity of cash for many people. It means the difference between being able to survive or not.

Spanish girls are not that pretty, why would they complain about getting exotic foreign girls? Something doesn't add up.

You are entitle to your opinion about the beauty of Spanish girls. We will discuss that in another thread. But now think of this: Spaniards are very protectionists . For all I can tell you they will prefer to get a Spanish woman in almost every scenario. I think you overestimate the appearance of Brazilian and Romanian prostitutes

No one is tricked into whoring.

This is simply delusional. And tricked is not even as common as "forced". I know you will counter argument with something like "the whores I know do it for pretty shoes and gold necklaces", and seeing that you "avoided" commenting of the data I posted comparing the HDI of Greece and Russia , it feels a bit pointless to give you more data collected by all sorts of organizations (governmental , independent, humanitary, or simply academic research) pointing in that direction. But you know you don't need to google too much to find it. It just doesn't suit your rather odd views

She was going to be a surgeon and her mother died so she was forced into prostitution? Congrats you've met a Gypsy.

She has now finished her studies, she was rescued by the red cross and she works in a practice, she is not of Gypsy background (Roma) Her captors are now in jail (a story with a happy ending).

What? Gypsies are the ones who hook. It's their culture. Stop being tricked by Gypsies.

In their culture, if you come into marriage not being a virgin you can be outcasted or even murdered. I am not saying that there isn't any Gypsy prostitutes, there probably are many as in every other group... but "hooking" is not more in their nature than in Russians'

Some Spanish girls show up when you browse the sites, that's all I'm saying.

That's not all you were saying. That's not even what you say. You are saying it now to cover up for your failed attempt to make a point to your cause

No children are homeless in Russia. Where do you get all this stuff from? Are you a Gypsy yourself by any chance? Will you be asking us to donate to your special organization that helps children in Russia?

Russias government admits 700.000 street kids in Russia. Independent organizations say 2-4 million.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/wo...00/2820251.stm

http://www.ilo.org/public/english/re...les/08_2en.pdf

http://englishrussia.com/2007/06/13/...-stpetersburg/

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http://english.pravda.ru/history/14-...85-homeless-0/

http://themoscownews.com/society/201...188442682.html

http://www.rt.com/news/homeless-chil...roblem-russia/

Also, thanks to those organizations your were mocking before, the numbers of homeless kids are dropping... maybe you should open your eyes more.

Look, it seems even Swedes know about the issue a lot. Check this Russian-Swedish film

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These indexes are all nonsense. You need to look at the reality on the ground.

so instead of looking into the cold facts and the data provided by every organisation, official or independent available, we should take the word of a glorified self proclaimed trophy-wife living in Sweden and with serious attention needs?

Greece is the Third World compared to Russia. Don't take my word for it, ask some other Russians that actually live there.

I don't know any russians living in Greece, but I know quite a few westerners (Brits, Germans, Swedes,Spaniards, French), and the reports go like this: They love it to bits. I also know many westerners that have spent some time in Russia (myself)

Don't take me wrong, I love Russia, but if there is a Third World country here...understanding third world country a place where the differences between the rich and the poor are the highest and where living conditions for the poor are extremely harsh, then Russia is the worst place to be

[Mary]

It sucks so much that Scandiavians have entire towns populated by Swedes permanently, getting local works, even their own business, sending their children to school. But don't take my word for it, visit Fuengirola. I even know several swedish girls that have spanish husbands and viceversa.

Those are old people who moved there because Spain was "the place to go" back in the 1960s. No youngsters would do anything like that.

don't underestimate the necessity of cash for many people. It means the difference between being able to survive or not.

This is Europe, there is welfare here, nobody is forced to do this.

You are entitle to your opinion about the beauty of Spanish girls. We will discuss that in another thread. But now think of this: Spaniards are very protectionists . For all I can tell you they will prefer to get a Spanish woman in almost every scenario. I think you overestimate the appearance of Brazilian and Romanian prostitutes

I haven't met many Spanish people, but I would suspect that they have a fetish for Northern women.

This is simply delusional. And tricked is not even as common as "forced". I know you will counter argument with something like "the whores I know do it for pretty shoes and gold necklaces", and seeing that you "avoided" commenting of the data I posted comparing the HDI of Greece and Russia , it feels a bit pointless to give you more data collected by all sorts of organizations (governmental , independent, humanitary, or simply academic research) pointing in that direction. But you know you don't need to google too much to find it. It just doesn't suit your rather odd views

No one is forced into prostitution.

HDI and all the other indexes are nonsense. They do not reflect the reality on the ground.

She has now finished her studies, she was rescued by the red cross and she works in a practice, she is not of Gypsy background (Roma) Her captors are now in jail (a story with a happy ending).

I think she is a lying Gypsy.

In their culture, if you come into marriage not being a virgin you can be outcasted or even murdered. I am not saying that there isn't any Gypsy prostitutes, there probably are many as in every other group... but "hooking" is not more in their nature than in Russians'

Do you think I was born yesterday? In Rumania pretty much all prostitutes are Gypsies. And abroad the overwhelming majority of Rumanian prostitutes are Gypsies. It's part of their culture that they do this. Just like begging, using their kids to steal, etc.

That's not all you were saying. That's not even what you say. You are saying it now to cover up for your failed attempt to make a point to your cause

Yes, it is what I was saying.

Russias government admits 700.000 street kids in Russia. Independent organizations say 2-4 million.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/wo...00/2820251.stm

http://www.ilo.org/public/english/re...les/08_2en.pdf

http://englishrussia.com/2007/06/13/...-stpetersburg/

[youtube]XJ39fZWkgnM[/youtube]

http://english.pravda.ru/history/14-...85-homeless-0/

http://themoscownews.com/society/201...188442682.html

http://www.rt.com/news/homeless-chil...roblem-russia/

Also, thanks to those organizations your were mocking before, the numbers of homeless kids are dropping... maybe you should open your eyes more.

Look, it seems even Swedes know about the issue a lot. Check this Russian-Swedish film

[youtube]vzqftUsZJQQ[/youtube]

That is a dying Western propaganda lie. All children are under the care of the government and they have very good conditions.

That is a movie made by a Swede. It's fiction.

so instead of looking into the cold facts and the data provided by every organisation, official or independent available, we should take the word of a glorified self proclaimed trophy-wife living in Sweden and with serious attention needs?

Those organizations are covers for Western intelligence agencies that try to undermine Russia. What they present as "cold facts" and "data" is stuff that they themselves make up. If you are an actual Russian, you don't fall for that, because it's made for Western consumption.

I don't know any russians living in Greece, but I know quite a few westerners (Brits, Germans, Swedes,Spaniards, French), and the reports go like this: They love it to bits. I also know many westerners that have spent some time in Russia (myself)

Don't take me wrong, I love Russia, but if there is a Third World country here...understanding third world country a place where the differences between the rich and the poor are the highest and where living conditions for the poor are extremely harsh, then Russia is the worst place to be

No, Brits like Greece because Britain isn't very nice to begin with.

Russia has a better standard than Western Europe. It is on par with Scandinavia. The price levels in regular towns are about like in Sweden (which more expensive than Britain) and in the bigger cities they are higher. So most Westerners can't afford to go there. This is the reason why there's so much propaganda in the media. If people found out that they have a lower standard of living than in Russia, they would flip.

[Foxy]

Mary, I have a fetish for nordic men, therefore also for you.
Come here and kiss me!

[Mary]

Mary, I have a fetish for nordic men, therefore also for you.
Come here and kiss me!

I'm not a man, sorry to disappoint you.

[Raikaswinþs]

Ok So Russia has a better living standard than the UK, Greece and southern Europe as a whole are dumpholes, and Russia is on pair with Scandinavia.

There was no such disaster for the average Russian folks during the privatization years, not entire regions abandoned to their luck, no hundreds of thousands of children (and millions of adults) living on the streets, and every single report by every organisation is a propaganda consortium to make us believe that Russia is on pair (if not worse off) than Brazil when it comes to inequality and human development.

Also, forced prostitution does not exist, children sex slaves do not exist either (at least, not in Russia), and prostitution is actually a natural thing that every "marriage driven" woman does in one way or another.

Also Korfu is a horrible and dumpy place in the eyes of your average Russian, that I assume fin their own Black and Caspian sea resorts much more "top class"

Oh, and all the thousands of swedes living in Spain have been there since the 60's (when Spain, apparently was a much better place )


http://www.expat-blog.com/en/nationa.../europe/spain/

for being over 60 years old they look pretty damn good! must be the aryan thing

there's 60-70 thousand Swedish living in Spain as for 2012. Must be really hard for them .

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/9678-a...ten-protegidos

[Il Principe]

I'm not a man, sorry to disappoint you.

You're not Nordic, Babianen. You are a man, though.

[RoyBatty]

That is a dying Western propaganda lie. All children are under the care of the government and they have very good conditions.

There's a lot of trolling and stupidity on this thread but to address this point, I agree with you about the "street kids". I've been there many times. This streetchildren story sounds like typical j00 bullshit.

That is a movie made by a Swede. It's fiction.

Yup... Swedish propaganda is particularly nasty and typically laced with outrageous BS. The same as UK propaganda (BBC in particular). Countries like Russia, Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela etc are usually the targets.

It's sad that Westerners are so stupid to believe BS from NGO's, "charities" (fronts for Western Intelligence Agencies) and Western J00 media.

Those organizations are covers for Western intelligence agencies that try to undermine Russia. What they present as "cold facts" and "data" is stuff that they themselves make up. If you are an actual Russian, you don't fall for that, because it's made for Western consumption.

Agreed and many Western dumbasses believe everything they're told. It would have been better if they actually went there instead of post fictional statistics from Soros type NGO's.

Russia has a better standard than Western Europe. It is on par with Scandinavia.

If you mean standard of living as measured in earnings, environment etc, no fkn way. That's incorrect.

It can be pretty good depending on who you are, what you earn etc but on average? No way.

The price levels in regular towns are about like in Sweden (which more expensive than Britain) and in the bigger cities they are higher. So most Westerners can't afford to go there.

Prices vary depending on region but I agree that it isn't cheap, particularly in cities and towns in Western Russia.

This is the reason why there's so much propaganda in the media. If people found out that they have a lower standard of living than in Russia, they would flip.

There's some truth to this in that conditions in Russia are nowhere near as bad as people *think* they are but on average the living standard is lower than in much of Western Europe.

Whether people in Russia lead a worse life... that is a completely different question because quality of life cannot be measured in terms of only money and earnings. I think the life there is quite good as long as you have a reasonable job, you have a good network of friends.

[RoyBatty]

no hundreds of thousands of children (and millions of adults) living on the streets

Stop posting this idiotic bullshit. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Mary]

Ok So Russia has a better living standard than the UK, Greece and southern Europe as a whole are dumpholes, and Russia is on pair with Scandinavia.

Yeah, that's about right.

There was no such disaster for the average Russian folks during the privatization years, not entire regions abandoned to their luck, no hundreds of thousands of children (and millions of adults) living on the streets, and every single report by every organisation is a propaganda consortium to make us believe that Russia is on pair (if not worse off) than Brazil when it comes to inequality and human development.

Nobody lived on the streets in the 90s. People got to stay in their homes without paying rent or bills, because nobody could afford it anyway. Try that in the US, there you have people living in tents, but no one will make it an issue. No one in Russia has ever had to live in a tent, not even in the 90s.

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You will not see this in Russia.

The propaganda was worse back then. They used to put a lot of effort into it.

Also, forced prostitution does not exist, children sex slaves do not exist either (at least, not in Russia), and prostitution is actually a natural thing that every "marriage driven" woman does in one way or another.

When someone gets forced into prostitution it's almost always people who belong to a clan within a small ethnic minority. Gypsies is one of them.

Also Korfu is a horrible and dumpy place in the eyes of your average Russian, that I assume fin their own Black and Caspian sea resorts much more "top class"

Don't take my word for it, go and ask actual Russians how Russia compares to Greece.

Oh, and all the thousands of swedes living in Spain have been there since the 60's (when Spain, apparently was a much better place )


http://www.expat-blog.com/en/nationa.../europe/spain/

for being over 60 years old they look pretty damn good! must be the aryan thing

there's 60-70 thousand Swedish living in Spain as for 2012. Must be really hard for them .

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/9678-a...ten-protegidos

If you want to put it in different terms, no Swede under 50 can afford to retire in Spain today, it's too expensive. People retire in Thailand instead.