Why Germans and Scandinavians dont have the same major Y haplogroup?

[Aren]

R1 isn't a haplogroup?



Nope, is not. More than 50% in whole is R1.
In Danmark 50%, in Sweden a little less, in Norway almost 60%.



It bothers me, as it is over and over reapining nonsense. When I oppose to the idea,
that Abraham was E1, or insist on the fact, now even proven, that Magyars were N1
it means, that I have something common with J1 or N1 or against any other feature?
Just nonsense will remain a nonsese, no matter how many times will be repeated.

R1 isn't that high in Norway. From the Norwegian FTDNA project with over 2000 participants it's 27,0% R1b and 26,7% R1a= 53,7% R1.

[Rethel]

Y dna is micro part of total dna.

Did I ever said, that it is about DNA per se or about the % of total DNA,
and this is the most important, because it is such and such part of DNA?
Usefullness of hg is not about genetics at all. NOT AT ALL.

But on the margine I will say, that this "micro part" made you as the person. If
you would not have Y chromosome, you would be a totaly different person, with
different look, intrests, way of thinking, way of acting, inteligence and whatever
have you - you would be just a woman. Is it really so micro part for you? YOU as
a person - this who you are as a human being - are this supposedly micro diff.
And this has nothing to do, with hg (what you confused) or usefullness of it.

I don't understand why Rethel forcing so much y dna...

I said it 1000th times, I'll say it 1001st, but PLEASE, THIS TIME REMEMBER THIS!
I am not forcing. It is only a tool proving some things. The same as any other kind
of proof or source as for example certificate of birth, marriage contract, or record
of death, extract from land and mortgage register, census, adress book, a register
of baptisms, chronicle, tax register, whatever have you... Just a way to know and
prove things, but the deepest, unfalsifiable and final. Did you get it?

And btw, I am still waiting for your proof of me promoting supremacy.

R1 isn't that high in Norway. From the Norwegian FTDNA project with over 2000 participants it's 27,0% R1b and 26,7% R1a= 53,7% R1.

And Swedish?

[longly]

Arabs are not our cousins, and this south and north german thing doesn't exist in the reality only in internet said by who have never been in Germany, germans are same.

Let start with something simple, do you agree that animals that look similar tend to be more closely related to each other than they are related to animals that do not look similar to them? For example, dogs and cats are more closely related to each other than either is related to fish. Arabs look more like Europeans than they resemble the Chinese or the sub-Saharan Africans. So are not Arabs more closely related to Europeans, making them genetic cousins? In 2017, a genetic test of ancient Egyptian mummies showed they were more related to eastern Europeans than they were related to sub-Saharan Africans. That is why I am convinced that all Caucasians have a recent common ancestor.

[Peterski]

Survive the Jive is my favourite I1 guy.

[Peterski]

R1a and R1b have nothing to do with each other since extremely long time ago.

That is wrong, since both are associated with the same Indo-European Steppe expansion, and it was not so long ago (ca. 4500-5000 years ago). The difference is that R1b-L51 experienced a founder effect in the Bell Beaker branch of Western Indo-Europeans.

[Rethel]

In 2017, a genetic test of ancient Egyptian mummies showed they were more related to eastern Europeans

Because it were IE mummies, who conquered Egypt once or twice
or thrice before Persians. Idk which mummies do you have in mind
but for example the New Kingdom was an IE monarchy, and also it
is possible that Hyxos invasion was at least partialy IE if not mainly.

That is why I am convinced that all Caucasians have a recent common ancestor.

Probably all people have caucasian common ancestor, as all three main human
groups have caucasian reporesentation, as the main branch representing them.

[Blondie]

Let start with something simple, do you agree that animals that look similar tend to be more closely related to each other than they are related to animals that do not look similar to them? For example, dogs and cats are more closely related to each other than either is related to fish. Arabs look more like Europeans than they resemble the Chinese or the sub-Saharan Africans. So are not Arabs more closely related to Europeans, making them genetic cousins? In 2017, a genetic test of ancient Egyptian mummies showed they were more related to eastern Europeans than they were related to sub-Saharan Africans. That is why I am convinced that all Caucasians have a recent common ancestor.

There is no caucasian race identity in Europe, only europeans and non europeans and arabs are not europeans. We don't even care who is caucasiod or not, it's just american thing. If you are are not european (so arab) you will be such foreigner like a chinese...

[Rethel]

There is no caucasian race identity in Europe, only europeans and non europeans and arabs are not europeans. We don't even care who is caucasiod or not, it's just american thing.

Actually yes.
Even darker Europeans could fell to the similar category as Arabs.

It would be strange, if someone would say, that Swede and Russian are in the same category as Saudi, Berber or Somali.

[rothaer]

There is no caucasian race identity in Europe, only europeans and non europeans and arabs are not europeans. We don't even care who is caucasiod or not, it's just american thing.

Correct.

[rothaer]

(...) and this south and north german thing doesn't exist in the reality only in internet said by who have never been in Germany, germans are same.

One should not base views on wrong assumptions, because that would make these views fragile. There are notable genetic differences between Northern and Southern Germans as well as Eastern ones. (If you are interested in this I can tell where and how to dive deeper into this subject.) However, this does in no way question the German people. Especially one should not in an unreflected manner adapt any wrong requirements about homogeneity regarding a people. German people emerging area covers a vast territory and due to the roughly biogeographic continuum in Europe this makes it natural for every people distributed over a bigger area to display respective genetic differences.

There is no sense in opposing a banality. And this banality doesn't change anything. Both commonality and a rich cultural diversity is typical for Germans throughout history. There is not one particular traditional center in Germany, but many. Beside cultural things German people as a biological fact is an old (some thousand years) breeding community (Fortpflanzungsgemeinschaft), that is intertwined also with blood ties. The German people is the superordinate form in which German individuals biologically do exist and can - however potentially - persist indefinitely.