Do Germans are genetically more similar to Scandinavians or French?

[Petalpusher]

Yes. But I know that. Neolithic peaks in Sardinians, while caucasus is type of farmer ancestry middle easterners have. However I'm not quite clear what it is, since it looks like ANE mixed with natufian like ancestry.

Scandinavians are less basal than Poles but as a whole Germans are not. Poles also score more mesolithic admixture than Germans do.

They are both mainly basal+WHG or Basal+ANE in different proportions, a Palestinian is only 18% neolithic in that test, which is way less than Scandinavians (and even Poles...) This is why middle easterns score the most ANE here and actually not much neolithic. All-in for example is the most ANE guy on Apricity among the W.Eurasians, because he is very Iran_N/CHG like so lots of basal and ANE.

In mesolithic, Poles are more comparable to southern and central Germans i would say, but that's just one comparison of many that could be done.

[Jana]

They are both mainly basal+WHG or Basal+ANE in different proportions, a Palestinian is only 18% neolithic in that test, which is way less than Scandinavians (and even Poles...) This is why middle easterns score the most ANE here and actually not much neolithic. All-in for example is the most ANE guy on Apricity among the W.Eurasians, because he is very Iran_N/CHG like so lots of basal and ANE.

Agreed

In mesolithic, Poles are more comparable to southern and central Germans i would say, but that's just one comparison of many that could be done.

North east European = 26.22% average (Germany) vs. 31.17% average (Poland). Since this admixture peaks in Latvians/Lithuanians it should be good benchmark for mesolithicness, no ?

[Petalpusher]

Agreed



North east European = 26.22% average (Germany) vs. 31.17% average (Poland). Since this admixture peaks in Latvians/Lithuanians it should be good benchmark for mesolithicness, no ?

Latvians/Lithuanians are certainly some of the most mesolithic, if not the most, but they are not just that so it's always hard to tell with a modern reference, you score more what these people score than something clearly and only mesolithic . Even Baltics are no more than 60-70% mesolithic depending on how narrow you evaluate it and mesolithic is also high in some other regions, so Germans can get some of their overal mesolithic through other components. Even "neolithic" has a lot in it.

[Bobby Martnen]

I don't think Nortwestern and Northeastern France is like Spain or Italy.

Any part of France (excl. Alsace and Brittany) is much more Mediterranean than any German speaking population

[Ouistreham]

Any part of France (excl. Alsace and Brittany) is much more Mediterranean than any German speaking population

Remarkably ridiculous assumption.
Just FYI: Alsatians are hardly distinguishable from other Frenchmen, and Bretons are actually darker than the average (just like Welsh and Cornish are in the UK).

I have often seen (on that board and other fora) Anglo-ignorants assuming that Brittany —probably mainly because of its name— must have some Germanic input.
Actually, Brittany was probably the only French region that wasn't impacted by Frankish settlements, and didn't undergo any significant Saxon or Scandinavian invasion.

[Leto]

Remarkably ridiculous assumption.
Just FYI: Alsatians are hardly distinguishable from other Frenchmen, and Bretons are actually darker than the average (just like Welsh and Cornish are in the UK).

Northern France looks more like this

[Petalpusher]

Remarkably ridiculous assumption.
Just FYI: Alsatians are hardly distinguishable from other Frenchmen, and Bretons are actually darker than the average (just like Welsh and Cornish are in the UK).

I ve never found a Breton genetically really northern, for some reasons they are a lot of time barely in the average maybe some closer to Normandy arent, and Alsatians overlap normaly with other eastern regions, Burgundy, Rhone, Swiss,.. even some Provencal match them in admixture.

The 2 regions that diverged more clearly from the average are the southwest, and anecdotically people with deep roots from Paris who for a lot of them have some levels of Jewish admixture, to the point many people from the capital don't even cluster in France.

[Ouistreham]

Northern France looks more like this

Macron?
He's a mix of Northern and Southern French, i.e. subnordid meets submediterranean.
"Atlantid" is an imaginary concoction that was invented to describe individuals who mix Nordid and Mediterranean features without any sizeable Alpinid intermediate (there are some in the British Isles and Belgium), but Macron should qualify as a so-called "Atlantid".

[Leto]

Macron?
He's a mix of Northern and Southern French, i.e. subnordid meets submediterranean.
"Atlantid" is an imaginary concoction that was invented to describe individuals who mix Nordid and Mediterranean features without any sizeable Alpinid intermediate (there are some in the British Isles and Belgium), but Macron should qualify as a so-called "Atlantid".

Wiki says he's 1/4 British.

[Tong]

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