The stupidity of the "Mediterranean" label for phenotypes.

[Septentrion]

Because Belgians are just Northern French, and French belong to the Med race.


Eddy Mercks is Med as hell.


No, it is centered in Italy. Funny that you play the card of geography to deny Belgium is part of the Med spectrum and then try to put Spain as the center of it, when Italy could not be more in the center of the Mediterranean.

In any case, whatever makes you happy, first Spain, second Spain, third Spain. Then Portugal, then Italy, then Greece, OK. Then France, then Belgium


You are on drugs if you think Greeks are lighter than Spaniards or that Greeks have higher frequency of light eyes and hair

No, Italy is not. Parts of northern Italy are Alpinid and Dinarid in race!

[coolfrenchguy]

By Iberia, I mean the Iberian Peninsula which includes your country (Spain) and Portugal! Get it! The Mediterranid race of Europe is centered there.
Belgium is located in the part which overlaps Northern and Western Europe (North - West Europe!). Your Mediterranid race is unfortunately not centered here even if some would like it to be. Even in France, the Mediterranid has a hold mostly to the south, the rest of the country is strongly Alpinid or Alpinid mix ( Sub - Nordid) with Atlantids on the periphery. Get not your geography but also your anthropology straight. Dude, you have a long way to go. Good luck!

indeed races don't exist ,but the human species,and ethnies and geno/phenotypes
i would mean amid the human species there is no races but anthropological groups like austronesians for ex
french natives are not at all alpinids, they are mostly a mix of nordid/north atlantid/paleo/tavastid/gracile meds/and meds

alpinid is : al capone meaning short of small height with small legs and very med branded under 1m65,it's something like 5% of the french native population who are more around 1m70/1m80 ,common our ancesters are the germanics tribes and the franks,but franks are described different from the vikings but tall,tall for that period meaning over 1m70 with a pale skin phenotype,i'am a tavastid pale skinned chesnut with marine blue eyes of 1m76 ,and my co-citizens are close to me,most of the time,not everywhere like in alsace where they are more close to the austrians/germans for ex or in the south more close to the spaniards/italians but for the rest we are pretty homogenous,we even have danish vikings ancestry in the north west,in NORMANDY ,we are close to the walloons,flemish,english,scottish and irish,the benelux,swiss a bit less culturally to the germans of allemania,but ethnically close too,we are not fucking southern meds! sorry meds is not against you but i'am tired than a bunch of people are describing the french like meds,where we are a germanic derivated people with an ancestry partially anchored in the southern scandinavia,true a part of the french are a very far remote branch of the scandinavians,indeed the proto-french langage is from the frankish language , even he was extremely modernised and latinised while these last 1000 years, is a germanic language near of the southern old dutch frankish ,as an extinct language,we use around 400 words of frankish origin some are near of ,or common to the nederlandse,deutsch and english :


Current French word

	Old Franconian	Dutch or other Germanic cognates	Latin/Romance
affranchir "to free"	*frank "freeborn; unsubjugated, answering to no one", nasalized variant of *frāki "rash, untamed, impudent"	Du frank "unforced, sincere, frank", vrank "carefree, brazen", Du frank en vrij (idiom) "free as air"[21] Du Frankrijk "France", Du vrek "miser", OHG franko "free man" Norwegian: frekk "rude"	L līberāre
alène "awl" (Sp alesna, It lesina)	*alisna	MDu elsene, else, Du els	L sūbula
alise "whitebeam berry" (OFr alis, alie "whitebeam")	*alísō "alder"[22]	MDu elze, Du els "alder" (vs. G Erle "alder"); Du elsbes "whitebeam", G Else "id."	non-native to the Mediterranean
baron	*baro "freeman", "bare of duties"[citation needed]	MDu baren "to give birth", Du bar "gravely", "bare", OHG baro "freeman", OE beorn "noble"	Germanic cultural import Late, Vulgar, and Medieval Latin *baro
bâtard "bastard" (FrProv bâsco)	*bāst "marriage"[23]	MDu bast "lust, heat, reproductive season", WFris boaste, boask "marriage"	L nothus
bâtir "to build" (OFr bastir "to baste, tie together") bâtiment "building" bastille "fortress" bastion "fortress"	*bastian "to bind with bast string"	MDu besten "to sew up, to connect", OHG bestan "to mend, patch", NHG basteln "to tinker"; MDu best "liaison" (Du gemenebest "commonwealth")	L construere (It costruire)
bière "beer"	*bera	Du bier	L cervisia(celtic)
blanc, blanche "white"	*blank	Du blinken "to shine", blank "white, shining"	L albus
bleu "blue" (OFr blou, bleve)	*blao	MDu blā, blau, blaeuw, Du blauw	L caeruleus "light blue", lividus "dark blue"
bois "wood, forest"	*busk "bush, underbrush"	MDu bosch, busch, Du bos "forest", "bush"	L silva "forest" (OFr selve), L lignum "wood" (OFr lein)[24]
bourg "town/city"	*burg or *burc "fortified settlement"	ODu burg, MDu burcht Got. baurg OHG burg OE burh, OLG burg, ON borg	L urbs "fortified city", Late Latin burgus
broder "to embroider" (OFr brosder, broisder)	*brosdōn, blend of *borst "bristle" and *brordōn "to embroider"	G Borste "boar bristle", Du borstel "bristle"; OS brordōn "to embroider, decorate", brord "needle"	L pingere "to paint; embroider" (Fr peindre "to paint")
broyer "to grind, crush" (OFr brier)	*brekan "to break"	Du breken "to break",	LL tritāre (Occ trissar "to grind", but Fr trier "to sort"), LL pistāre (It pestare "to pound, crush", OFr pester), L machīnare (Dalm maknur "to grind", Rom măşina, It maşinare)
brun "brown"	*brūn	MDu brun and Du bruin "brown" [25]
choquer "to shock"	*skukjan	Du schokken "to shock, to shake"
choisir "to choose"	*kiosan	MDu kiesen, Du kiezen, keuze	L eligēre (Fr élire "to elect"), VL exeligēre (cf. It scegliere), excolligere (Cat escollir, Sp escoger, Pg escolher)
chouette "barn owl" (OFr çuete, dim. of choë, choue "jackdaw")	*kōwa, kāwa "chough, jackdaw"	MDu couwe "rook", Du kauw, kaauw "chough"	not distinguished in Latin: L būbō "owl", ōtus "eared owl", ulula "screech owl", ulucus likewise "screech owl" (cf. Sp loco "crazy"), noctua "night owl"
cresson "watercress"	*kresso	MDu kersse, korsse, Du kers, dial. kors	L nasturtium, LL berula (but Fr berle "water parsnip")
danser "to dance" (OFr dancier)	*dansōn[26]	OHG dansōn "to drag along, trail"; further to MDu densen, deinsen "to shrink back", Du deinzen "to stir; move away, back up", OHG dinsan "to pull, stretch"	LL ballare (OFr baller, It ballare, Pg bailar)
déchirer "to rip, tear" (OFr escirer)	*skerian "to cut, shear"	MDu scēren, Du scheren "to shave, shear", scheuren "to tear"	VL extractiāre (Prov estraçar, It stracciare), VL exquartiare "to rip into fours" (It squarciare, but Fr écarter "to move apart, distance"), exquintiare "to rip into five" (Cat/Occ esquinçar)
dérober "to steal, reave" (OFr rober, Sp robar)	*rōbon "to steal"	MDu rōven, Du roven "to rob"	VL furicare "to steal" (It frugare)
écang "swingle-dag, tool for beating fibrous stems"	*swank "bat, rod"	MDu swanc "wand, rod", Du (dial. Holland) zwang "rod"	L pistillum (Fr dial. pesselle "swingle-dag")
écran "screen" (OFr escran)	*skrank[27]	MDu schrank "chassis"; G Schrank "cupboard", Schranke "fence"	L obex
écrevisse "crayfish" (OFr crevice)	*krebit	Du kreeft "crayfish, lobster"	L cammārus "crayfish" (cf. Occ chambre, It gambero, Pg camarão)
éperon "spur" (OFr esporon)	*sporo	MDu spōre, Du spoor	L calcar
épier "to watch" Old French espie "male spy", , Modern French espion is from Italian	*spehōn "to spy"	Du spieden, bespieden "to spy", HG spähen "to peer, to peek, to scout",
escrime "fencing" < Old Italian scrimia < OFr escremie from escremir "fight"	*skirm "to protect"	Du schermen "to fence", scherm "(protective) screen", bescherming "protection", afscherming "shielding"
êtrier "stirrup" (OFr estrieu, estrief)	*stīgarēp, from stīgan "to go up, to mount" and rēp "band"	MDu steegereep, Du stijgreep, stijgen "to rise", steigeren	LL stapia (later ML stapēs), ML saltatorium (cf. MFr saultoir)
flèche "arrow"	*fliukka	Du vliek "arrow feather", MDu vliecke, OS fliuca (MLG fliecke "long arrow")	L sagitta (OFr saete, It saetta, Pg seta)
frais "fresh" (OFr freis, fresche)	*friska "fresh"	Du vers "fresh", fris "cold", German frisch
franc "free, exempt; straightforward, without hassle" (LL francus "freeborn, freedman") France "France" (OFr Francia) franchement "frankly"	*frank "freeborn; unsubjugated, answering to no one", nasalized variant of *frāki "rash, untamed, impudent"	MDu vrec "insolent", Du frank "unforced, sincere, frank", vrank "carefree, brazen",[28] Du Frankrijk "France", Du vrek "miser", OHG franko "free man"	L ingenuus "freeborn" L Gallia[29]
frapper "to hit, strike" (OFr fraper)	*hrapan "to jerk, snatch"[30]	Du rapen "gather up, collect", G raffen "to grab"	L ferire (OFr ferir)
frelon "hornet" (OFr furlone, ML fursleone)	*hurslo	MDu horsel, Du horzel	L crābrō (cf. It calabrone)
freux "rook" (OFr frox, fru)	*hrōk	MDu roec, Du roek	not distinguished in Latin
galoper "to gallop"	*wala hlaupan "to run well"	Du wel "good, well" + lopen "to run"
garder "to guard"	*wardōn	MDu waerden "to defend", OS wardōn	L cavere, servare
gant "gauntlet"	*want	Du want "glove"
givre "frost (substance)"	*gibara "drool, slobber"	EFris gever, LG Geiber, G Geifer "drool, slobber"	L gelū (cf. Fr gel "frost (event); freezing")
glisser "to slip" (OFr glier)	*glīdan "to glide"	MDu glīden, Du glijden "to glide"; Du glis "skid"; G gleiten, Gleis "track"	ML planare
grappe "bunch (of grapes)" (OFr crape, grape "hook, grape stalk")	*krāppa "hook"	MDu crappe "hook", Du (dial. Holland) krap "krank", G Krapfe "hook", (dial. Franconian) Krape "torture clamp, vice"	L racemus (Prov rasim "bunch", Cat raïm, Sp racimo, but Fr raisin "grape")
gris "grey"	*grîs "grey"	Du grijs "grey"	L cinereus "ash-coloured, grey"
guenchir "to turn aside, avoid"	*wenkjan	Du wenken "to beckon", OS wenkian "to defect, become unfaithful", OHG wenchen "to bend, buckle, warp"
guérir "to heal, cure" (OFr garir "to defend") guérison "healing" (OFr garrison "healing")	*warjan "to protect, defend"	MDu weeren, Du weren "to protect, defend", Du bewaren "to keep, preserve"	L sānāre (Sard sanare, Sp/Pg sanar, OFr saner), medicāre (Dalm medcuar "to heal")
guerre "war"	*werra "war"	Du war[31] or wirwar "tangle",[32] verwarren "to confuse"	L bellum
guigne "heart cherry" (OFr guisne)	*wīksina[33]	G Weichsel "sour cherry", (dial. Rhine Franconian) Waingsl, (dial. East Franconian) Wassen, Wachsen	non-native to the Mediterranean
haïr "to hate" (OFr hadir "to hate") haine "hatred" (OFr haïne "hatred")	*hatjan	Du haten "to hate", haat "hatred"	L ōdī "to hate", odium "hatred"
hanneton "cockchafer"	*hāno "rooster" + -eto (diminutive suffix) with sense of "beetle, weevil"	Du haan "rooster", leliehaantje "lily beetle", bladhaantje "leaf beetle", G Hahn "rooster", (dial. Rhine Franconian) Hahn "sloe bug, shield bug", Lilienhähnchen "lily beetle"	LL bruchus "chafer" (cf. Fr dial. brgue, beùrgne, brégue), cossus (cf. SwRom coss, OFr cosson "weevil")
haubert "hauberk"	*halsberg "neck-cover"[34]	Du hals "neck" + berg "cover" (cf Du herberg "hostel")	L lorica
héron "heron"	*heigero, variant of *hraigro	MDu heiger "heron", Du reiger "heron"	L ardea
houx "holly"	*hulis	MDu huls, Du hulst	L aquifolium (Sp acebo), later VL acrifolium (Occ grefuèlh, agreu, Cat grèvol, It agrifoglio)
jardin "garden" (VL hortus gardinus "enclosed garden", Ofr jardin, jart)[35][36]	*gardo "garden"	Du gaard "garden", boomgaard "orchard"; OS gardo "garden"	L hortus
lécher "to lick" (OFr lechier "to live in debauchery")	*leccōn "to lick"	MDu lecken, Du likken "to lick"	L lingere (Sard línghere), lambere (Sp lamer, Pg lamber)
maçon "bricklayer" (OFr masson, machun)	*mattio "mason"[37]	Du metsen "to mason", metselaar "masoner"; OHG mezzo "stonemason", meizan "to beat, cut", G Metz, Steinmetz "mason"	VL murator (Occ murador, Sard muradore, It muratóre)
maint "many" (OFr maint, meint "many")	*menigþa "many"	Du menig "many", menigte "group of people"
marais "marsh, swamp"	*marisk "marsh"	MDu marasch, meresch, maersc, Du meers "wet grassland", (dial. Holland) mars	L paludem (Occ palun, It palude)
maréchal "marshal" maréchausse "military police"	*marh-skalk "horse-servant"	ODu marscalk "horse-servant" (marchi "mare" + skalk "servant"); MDu marscalc "horse-servant, royal servant" (mare "mare" + skalk "serf"); Du maarschalk "marshal" (merrie "mare" + schalk "comic", schalks "teasingly")
nord "north"	*Nortgouue (790–793 A.D.) "north" + "frankish district" (Du gouw, Deu Gau, Fri/LSax Go)	Du noord or noorden "north",[38] Du Henegouwen (province of Hainaut) [39]	L septemtrio(nes) / septentrio(nes) "north, north wind, northern regions, (pl.) seven stars near the north pole", boreas "north wind, north", aquilo "stormy wind, north wind, north", aquilonium "northerly regions, north"
osier "osier (basket willow); withy" (OFr osière, ML auseria)	*halster[40]	MDu halster, LG dial. Halster, Hilster "bay willow"	L vīmen "withy" (It vimine "withy", Sp mimbre, vimbre "osier", Pg vimeiro, Cat vímet "withy"), vinculum (It vinco "osier", dial. vinchio, Friul venc)
patte "paw"	*pata "foot sole"	Du poot "paw",[41] Du pets "strike"; LG Pad "sole of the foot";[42] further to G Patsche "instrument for striking the hand", Patschfuss "web foot", patschen "to dabble", (dial. Bavarian) patzen "to blot, pat, stain"[43]	Vulg L pauta,[41] LL branca "paw" (Sard brànca, It brince, Rom brîncă, Prov branca, Romansh franka, but Fr branche "treelimb"), see also Deu Pranke
poche "pocket"	*poka "pouch"	MDu poke, G dial. Pfoch "pouch, change purse"	L bulga "leather bag" (Fr bouge "bulge"), LL bursa "coin purse" (Fr bourse "money pouch, purse", It bórsa, Sp/Pg bolsa)
riche "rich"	*riki "rich"	MDu rike, Du rijk "kingdom", "rich"	L dives
sale "dirty"	*salo "pale, sallow"	MDu salu, saluwe "discolored, dirty", Du (old) zaluw "tawny"	L succidus (cf. It sudicio, Sp sucio, Pg sujo, Ladin scich, Friul soç)
salle "room"	*sala "hall, room"	ODu zele "house made with sawn beams", Many place names: "Melsele", "Broeksele" (Brussels) etc.
saule "willow"	*salha "sallow, pussy willow"	OHG salaha, G Salweide "pussy willow", OE sealh	L salix "willow" (OFr sauz, sausse)
saisir "to seize, snatch; bring suit, vest a court" (ML sacīre "to lay claim to, appropriate")	*sakan "to take legal action"[44]	Du zeiken "to nag, to quarrel", zaak "court case", OS sakan "to accuse", OHG sahhan "to strive, quarrel, rebuke", OE sacan "to quarrel, claim by law, accuse";	VL aderigere (OFr aerdre "to seize")
standard "standard" (OFr estandart "standard")	*standhard "stand hard, stand firm"	Du staan (to stand) + hard "hard"
tamis "sieve" (It tamigio)	*tamisa	MDu temse, teemse, obs. Du teems "sifter"	L crībrum (Fr crible "riddle, sift")
tomber "to fall" (OFr tumer "to somersault")	*tūmōn "to tumble"	Du tuimelen "to tumble", OS/OHG tūmōn "to tumble",	L cadere (obsolete Fr cheoir)
trêve "truce"	*treuwa "loyalty, agreement"	Du trouw "faithfulness, loyalty"	L pausa (Fr pause)
troène "privet" (dialectal truèle, ML trūlla)	*trugil "hard wood; small trough"	OHG trugilboum, harttrugil "dogwood; privet", G Hartriegel "dogwood", dialectally "privet", (dial. Eastern) Trögel, archaic (dial. Swabian) Trügel "small trough, trunk, basin"	L ligustrum
tuyau "pipe, hose" (OFr tuiel, tuel)	*þūta	MDu tūte "nipple; pipe", Du tuit "spout, nozzle", OE þwēot "channel; canal"	L canna "reed; pipe" (It/SwRom/FrProv cana "pipe")

i will even add my personal knowledge ,in the american english for describing a castor ,you could use a synonym : beaver ,sometimes for describing in the popular and the trivial sexual language ,an hairless female vagina, some men talks about "a bald beaver" but did you know where is from the word: beaver,it's from the latin biber,the dutch : bever and the german Biber,and from to the southern parisianner suburbia to Paris we have a river called ,la biévre

[Cristiano viejo]

No, Italy is not. Parts of northern Italy are Alpinid and Dinarid in race!

And parts of Spain are Atlantid and Baskid.
You are not more retarded because it is impossible

[Cristiano viejo]

The Spanish and the Greeks have about the same percentage of light eyes(blue,gray,green) at about 13,5% according to a study of mine. The Portuguese have a 10% light eyes, but in terms of skin colour we are much lighter than Iberians, with 50% of Greeks having pale skin like central and northern Europeans, and a 50% being brunette/light brown/olive tones. The Iberians are much darker. Charleton coon notes that only 1/6 Andalusian males have pale skin like northern and Central Europeans. North italians have a 1/4-1/3 pale among males in early adulthood, and less than 50% in both genders. This is what ''Races of Europe'' say. This also corresponds with my studies.

Carleton Coon was not in Spain in his fuckin life.
Yes, you are on drugs, Greeks are like Gypsies compared with Spaniards.

[Rocinante]

Southern europeans fighting for what country has more blue eyes frecuency is retarded, for real.

[Anaximander]

Carleton Coon was not in Spain in his fuckin life.
Yes, you are on drugs, Greeks are like Gypsies compared with Spaniards.

U are such a pityfull man. U are really an Iberberian, and look like Busquets, or Brais Mendez, both from the north of ur country .
Its a fact that Greeks have almost double percentage of pale white skin than the Al-andalusians, and the pale white skinned people dont pass 25% in all of Spain. Not to mention the Portuguese.......

[Faklon]

[Cristiano viejo]

U are such a pityfull man. U are really an Iberberian, and look like Busquets, or Brais Mendez, both from the north of ur country .
Its a fact that Greeks have almost double percentage of pale white skin than the Al-andalusians, and the pale white skinned people dont pass 25% in all of Spain. Not to mention the Portuguese.......

Ok Turk, continue dreaming.

[Ruggery]

This is incredible, I am seeing something that I did not think I would see on the internet, Spanishs vs Greeks fighting to see who is lighter or less dark.

[Anaximander]

Ok Turk, continue dreaming.

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Learn the diffrence of pale white,from light brown skin...... It may change your life