Is the Ottoman dynasty a Turkified Greek dynasty?

[mikhail]

No. From what I read, they were an Oghuz clan of mercenaries from the Caucasus who were brought to Anatolia by the Seljuks to fight Byzantium. They probably had that haplogroup because Ottoman Sultans often married to local notables among Islamisized populations in the lands they conquered, and Balkanites are no exception, so their descendants had significant local admixture.

[Shah-Jehan]

No. From what I read, they were an Oghuz clan of mercenaries from the Caucasus who were brought to Anatolia by the Seljuks to fight Byzantium. They probably had that haplogroup because Ottoman Sultans often married to local notables among Islamisized populations in the lands they conquered, and Balkanites are no exception.

Actually, their paternal haplogroup (Y-DNA) was R1a, probably owing to their central Asian origins. It is a complete lie that they had the j2 haplogroup.

[acatziri]

Actually, their paternal haplogroup (Y-DNA) was R1a, probably owing to their central Asian origins. It is a complete lie that they had the j2 haplogroup.

What do you think about the Haplogroup J found among the Iron Age Sakha/Scythian Turks in the Altai Region? Does this not show that many West Eurasian haplogroups are of Central Asian Turk origin?

Like mentioned in my previous post, genetic mutations occurred tens of thousands of years ago, and the oldest human language is the Sumerian language. The Sumerian language is Proto Turk language, and the older Proto Turks with people of several haplogroups could have lived together for (tens) of thousands of years ago in the Central Asian / Altaian regions.

For example, how will people of 20.000 BCE know about the occurrence of new mutations? For example, the West Eurasian haplogroups R and T are both descendants of father mutation K-M9. Lets say that during 25.000 BCE, 1000 Proto Turks with the K-M9 mutation lived in the Altai regions. Then all the sudden, during 20.000 BCE, the mutations that define the haplogroups R and T occur. Altough the occurrence of both new mutations, what if the same group of Proto Turks kept living together until the Iron Age period of Sakha and Huns, not knowing the facts about the occurence of new mutations? Do you understand what i mean? Another example could be given between the mutations F-M89 and K-M9, or between the haplogroups CT-M168 and F-M89.

Maybe only the haplogroups A and B could be thaught as an African anthropological type. The haplogroups C, M, N, O, Q, S were of East Eurasian anthropological type, which includes Han Chinese. Most ancient Han Chinese of 1000 BCE had N, O, Q results. The majority of Proto Turks and also the majority core of the Sakha's-Huns-Turks were of the West Eurasian anthropological type, which is equal to haplogroups like E, G, H, I, J, K, L, R, T. A minority of Proto Turks were also of East Eurasian anthropological type.

For more detailed information, read the articles at Ancient Dna.

[Mustafa]

"Prince Yusuf Izzedidin" is an fake account, anyway here is your answer
J2 haplo: Uygurs 34%[2], Uzbeks %30.4[2, East Turkestan], Azerbaijani Turks 30.6%[20], Crimean Karaites 30%[19], Hazara people 26.6%[22], Kumyks 25%[21], Balkars 24%[10], Lithuanian Tatars 18.9[23], Turkmens 17%[11], Uzbeks 16%[9], Kazan Tatars 15.1%[6], Chuvash people 14%[6], Nogays 10.4%[21], Kazakhs 7%[1]

Dumb Mongol wannabe masturbates with Mesopotamian y-dna. Are you on high, brown-face Turk? Turkish identity crisis and inferiority complex. Poor owd durk turd turk donkey. HA HA HA... Too many J1 Semite and J2 Meso Turks. Tri-racial subhuman Turks. Bit-brains losers.

[Petros Houhoulis]

The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire belonged to haplogroup J2. This has been deduced by the testing of one of the descendants of H.I.H. Prince Yusuf Izzedidin. Here is the ysearch id 94A9M. This haplotype looks like it probably belongs to J2a M410 as well.

http://forums.familytreedna.com/showthread.php?t=13292

They were indeed descended from a Greek noble from the male line, from the time when the Ottomans were still subservient to the Seljuks, and some early Ottoman sultan was proud of his Greek origins (perhaps Mehmed II the conqueror himself, who was probably baptized Christian before his death too) but in any case most of the women in the Sultanate were of foreign origins, with only a handful of Turkish-speaking women among them...

[acatziri]

Dumb Mongol wannabe masturbates with Mesopotamian y-dna. Are you on high, brown-face Turk? Turkish identity crisis and inferiority complex. Poor owd durk turd turk donkey. HA HA HA... Too many J1 Semite and J2 Meso Turks. Tri-racial subhuman Turks. Bit-brains losers.

You are a simple Turk hating person, your cursing does not solve or proof anything. Simple discriminator that does not have any logical reasoning skills. Watch this program of Cenk Uygur(The Young Turks), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0jILZMnQ7o, and you will see yourself in the mirror. You are the same kind as the bad intended stupid Bill O'Reilly, who is very disappointed with the invention of Facebook, Google News, etcetera just because Foxnews can not spread their lies anymore.

I am assuring you that in the modern age, you can not fool anyone with your Turk hating brain cells.

I guess you did not see the results of the final study of Allentoft et al 2015, which found Y-DNA Haplogroup J2 among the ancient skeletal remains of the Iron Age Sakha Turks of the Altai / South Siberia Region between 800 BCE - 100 AD. Read the articles at link Ancient DNA in Altai Republic region for more detailed information.

Also, among the Avar Turks, 94,0% of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1 was found. For the haplogroup J results among other Turk tribes read the following data, if you are interested in finding the truth:

Haplogroup J:

-Among the Avar Turks, Haplogrup J is found with 72%(30/42), 90%(13/15) and 94,0%(17/18) frequencies. The subgroups belong to J1, J2 and J2b.

-Among the Uygur Turks Haplogrup J2 is found with 34%,

Among the Uzbek Turks in the Balkh region of Afghanisthan, Haplogroup J2 is found with a percentage of 60,0%(3/5).

-Among the Uzbek Turks Haplogrup J and J2 is found with 34,8%.

-Among the Azerbaijan Turks in Azerbaijan, Haplogroup J is found with a percentage of 57,9%(11/19).

-Among the Kumik Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 42,5%(31/73).

-Among the Kuban Nogay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 37,9%(33/87).

-Among the Balkar Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 19,3%(26/135).

-Among the Karachay Turks, the total frequency of Y-DNA Haplogroup J1+J2 is 18,9%(13/69).

-Among a group of Kazakh Turks, the Y-DNA Haplogroup J is found with a frequency of 18%.

-The descendants of the founder of the Qajar royal family, the grandsons of Mohammad Khan Qajar and Fath-Ali Shah Qajar were tested for Y-DNA, their haplogroup was J1.

-Among the Karai Turks, J1 and J2 is found with 47,6%(10/21).

-Among the Chuvash Turks J is found with 15,9%(7/44).

-Among the Kazan Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 15,1%(8/53).

-Among the Tuzmazinsky Tatar Turks Haplogroup J is found with 10,0%(5/50).

-Between the years 800 BCE - 100 AD, among the Sakha Turks from the Altai Republic region, the Y-DNA haplogroup J2a is found.

-Among the Proto Turks, in Hungary, during the years between 1270 - 1100 BCE, J2a is found.

Source: http://www.turktoresi.com/viewtopic.php?f=229&t=12288

[acatziri]

They were indeed descended from a Greek noble from the male line, from the time when the Ottomans were still subservient to the Seljuks, and some early Ottoman sultan was proud of his Greek origins (perhaps Mehmed II the conqueror himself, who was probably baptized Christian before his death too) but in any case most of the women in the Sultanate were of foreign origins, with only a handful of Turkish-speaking women among them...

Are you a fortune teller, or do you get your sources from a mysterious kind of magical spirit? Science needs historical facts, with your trolling hate crime comments you can not fool anyone.

Lets continue with the scientific reality. The paternal ancestry of the Ottoman dynasty is of the Kayi tribe of the ancient Turks. "Rum" means "Rome", not "Greek", and the Ottoman provinces like "Rum-eli", simply means "The regions that were previously under control of Roman empire". The paternal ancestry does not change when an Ottoman sultan marries a foreign girl in the "harem". So, the women does not have anything to do with paternal ancestry. To conclude, it is very obvious that the Ottoman dynasty was just like their population of Oghuz Turkmen origin.

[Togarma]

I also read some where as their paternal haglogroup is R1a. But j2 is also not suprise which can be found high percentages in Turkic tribes.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Are you a fortune teller, or do you get your sources from a mysterious kind of magical spirit? Science needs historical facts, with your trolling hate crime comments you can not fool anyone.

Lets continue with the scientific reality. The paternal ancestry of the Ottoman dynasty is of the Kayi tribe of the ancient Turks. "Rum" means "Rome", not "Greek", and the Ottoman provinces like "Rum-eli", simply means "The regions that were previously under control of Roman empire". The paternal ancestry does not change when an Ottoman sultan marries a foreign girl in the "harem". So, the women does not have anything to do with paternal ancestry. To conclude, it is very obvious that the Ottoman dynasty was just like their population of Oghuz Turkmen origin.

I'll post the link when I'll find it. I never said that Rum means either "Rome" or "Greek". The Ottomans did intermarry with others many times after they left Central Asia...

[Petros Houhoulis]

I also read some where as their paternal haglogroup is R1a. But j2 is also not suprise which can be found high percentages in Turkic tribes.

2% is not a "high percentage" but even in that case haplogrous have very weak relationship to ethnicities.