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According to a Hungarian researcher out of 300 Modern Hungarian samples through MyTrueAncestry almost 250 of them get Scythian as first population and almost 25 get them as second population and 5 as third population. Second populations Hungarians get the most often are the Franks, with 20 people as number one, 140 people as number two and 30 as number three population. Early Slavs are the third most common population in Hungarians, but already more distant from first two, with 10 getting it number one, 50 as number two and 30 as number three population.
Even most Slavs get Scythians more often than Early Slavs on that site, since Early Slavs were a more nordic, Baltic-mixed people, which later imposed their language on the Scythian population of East-Central and Eastern Europe. Franks were clearly a very Continental Celtic-Germanic mixture. And these are the two most common people found in Modern Hungarians. I'm not saying that Slavic and Germanic element isn't significant in Modern Hungarians, but it's not the primary origin, but largely Scythians of East-Central Europe followed by the Celto-Germanic and Early Slavic people of Pannonia.
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That's due to those Scythians are labeled as if they are Scythians but they were actually natives of the region where they belonged that lived in the Scythian Era.
Hungarians have got 3 major components, one being native-Balkan-like admixture one being Slavic and the other is Germanic. The prominence of Slavic and Germanic highly varies through the regions. Besides these three, some kind of Turkic admixture is present in some groups, Szekely and Csango being the greatest examples, and a small amount of Magyar, Turkic and even Jassic admixtures can be observed through the all nation. However, it is not necessarily, as a great amount of the population shows no Eurasian shift. In addition, Szekely and Csango have additional Romanian admixture, creates a genetic shift for these groups.
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Well those Scythian-like people were neither Germanic or Slavic, since we know of Germanic-like and Slavic-like people having their own, distinct category on MyTrueAncestry. According the study of this researcher as I stated above, Hungarians are most similar to those Scythian-like people, but also with an important Germanic (and Celtic)-like and Slavic-like component. Native Balkanic groups are surprisingly much more rare according to that study about 300 Modern Hungarians: Roman-like people are on the 18th place, while Illyrians are on 20th place, being preceded even by Proto-Hungarians on 13th place as most frequent results Modern Hungarians get.
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Most modern Hungarians are German Swabian shoe shiners that didn't get evicted after the war
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Southern European like admixture is often overlooked in modern Hungarians. It varies a lot between individuals but generally it's as important if not more important than Germanic contribution (although this can be tricky to estimate as Germans in Hungary were not purely Germanic but mostly of southern German stock - thus they carried some Med blood too, which means southern Euro contribution came from various sources).
Stears for example is more southern European than Germanic, and his Germanic admixture is not low for Hungarian (his Slavic is though).
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You are quoting a false company to begin with. MyTrueAncestry may entertain users but should not be taken seriously. Here note the around half of the samples are straightforward natives of the region, and the rest still show a shift towards European populations indicates they are also mixed, some at least. Hungarians have these 3 components(German, Balkan, Slav) which are also present among samples labeled as "Scythian." Eventually, an average of the samples labeled as Scythians comes closer to Hungarians because of common populations with Hungarians included in the average. Even that alien admixture present in half of the samples might help to reduce fit due to Hungarians also having Eurasian tendencies. It is just a genetic closeness to the pseudo-Scythian averages at that stage. Hungarians still may have actual Scythian admixture, but as they were already absorbed by the Steppe people who have migrated afterward as well as natives of the regions, I really doubt this layer may be observed today especially with the current methods.
And this is when excluding Slav_German_Balkan cluster and creating an isolated Mixed_Scythian average:
Is that because these people are actual Scythians? No, it is still a genetic similarity as individuals who has legit Scythian admixture are still mixed and have got Balkanic, Slavic, and Germanic components. Balkan Turks being Balkan Slav + Turkic mixes come closest because they also have a similar admixture breakdown to that average.Code:Distance to: Mixed_Scythian_avg 0.06196719 Turkish_Deliorman 0.06447937 Turkish_Rumeli 0.06558683 Tatar_Mishar 0.07751551 Mordovian 0.07797400 Roma_Barcelona 0.07844624 Tatar_Kazan 0.07866551 Moldovan 0.07993610 Moldovan_o 0.08203187 Afrikaner 0.08235053 Tajik_Rushan 0.08261865 Tajik_Yagnobi 0.08342094 Hungarian 0.08540441 Austrian 0.08647524 Turkish_Balikesir 0.08654225 Croatian 0.08660638 Russian_Kostroma 0.08661062 Bosnian 0.08663644 Romanian 0.08681731 Turkish_Northwest 0.08799388 Gagauz 0.08823847 Bulgarian 0.08842790 Roma_Madrid 0.08848117 Montenegrin 0.08848682 Komi 0.08885817 Serbian
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MyTrueAncestry just uses Eurogenes k15 to compare, not some rocket science. You can check these things for yourself in Eurogenes K13 ancient which is very similar.
Scythians from central Ukraine (Cherkassy area) included 2 completely West and East Slavic-like individuals, but alongside them there were also some with much more Asian influence. So if some modern group had ancestry from this group, they would pull towards the average of this group (in between the Slavic-like and the high Asian ones.) And my guess is that MyTrueancestry gives you "100% Scythian" if you match just the Slavic-like ones.
Scythians in Moldova also have a range, from almost Thracian-like to some with more admixture from the real Scythians.
And then there are Hungarian Scythians, who show up as superficially modern Hungarian-like in an analysis like k15 or k13, but the actually descend from a Bronze age population specific to Eastern Hungary and Vojvodina, which didn't leave much ancestry today.
Maybe the Scythians which most Hungarians match on MyTrueAncestry are these ones.
There will be a study about this population soon with hundreds of samples:
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