Idea: A new Atlantic Order ?

[justTosee]

Actually: the Russians are very vulnerable - it's the same as during the latter stages of the Cold War: they have a lot of propaganda but they are still building up. The moment we drop their lifeline (trade - mainly in natural resources) Their entire economy comes crashing down. Also: they need to import a lot. Sell it to China instead.

A few 60 Mgt of Thermonukes in France & US, and we will "see" how much is left of your filthy "West".

[The Lawspeaker]

A few 60 Mgt of Thermonukes in France & US, and we will "see" how much is left of your filthy "West".

Yawn. Without us, you'll have two choices: speaking Russian or speaking Turkish. Whichever one you "choose" (at the point of a bayonet) isn't important to us. There are things much more important to us that the Eastern quagmire of corruptistans: everything. Even the non-existing trade with the Moon would be more important to us than whatever goes on in the East.

So whatever not-so-interesting stuff you crap out, you would only prove Atlanticists like myself right.

[Dragoon]

The most likely to remain in NATO are the more heavily Atlanticist countries (or maybe governments).

That would be countries like Netherlands, the Anglo countries and Lawspeakers favorite countries like Poland and East European, Romania, Baltics (bordering Russia),

France, Spain, Greece, see it less positively. Germans in past few years have lowered their support of NATO.
There are a few countries where a minority support it, but the big polls dont cover them (you have to see their national views).

The National Conservative anti-immigration parties are basically divided into ECR (more pro US) and Salvinis new Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...le_and_Nations (more pro Europe).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ember-nations/

[The Lawspeaker]

The most likely to remain in NATO are the more heavily Atlanticist countries (or maybe governments).

That would be countries like Netherlands, the Anglo countries and Poland, East European (bordering Russia),

France, Spain, Greece, see it less positively. Germans in past few years have lowered their support of NATO.
There are a few countries where a minority support it, but the big polls dont cover them (you have to see their national views).

The National Conservative anti-immigration parties are basically divided into ECR (more pro US) and Salvinis new Group (more pro Europe).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ember-nations/

In other words - core NATO. But I would prefer to abandon Poland just the same. Why ? Because it simply doesn't serve our own goals - which aren't land-based and towards Russia but sea-based and engaged in the protection of our own economic lifelines: in other words - the Atlantic Ocean, the Caribbean, the Arctic Region, the Panama Canal and the Pacific. but also the Indian Ocean).

No more this:



But a lot of this:

[justTosee]

Yawn. Without us, you'll have two choices: speaking Russian or speaking Turkish. Whichever one you "choose" (at the point of a bayonet) isn't important to us.

Don't try to fool here.

You forget i said "only" the West. The rest of Europe = not included (North, South, East)

And speaking about "Turks", who are the retards coming here coming with wolf sign & emblems that strikingly ressembles that of the turks ?

and Turkey btw is a pro-western country, supported by mainly Western countries. Russia is North-Eastern european country, so not at all concerned

Sorry but it seems the whole world hates you. and you are still into your "oh but the West dominates the world". At the end, this will be your doom

[The Lawspeaker]

Don't try to fool here.

You forget i said "only" the West. The rest of Europe = not included (North, South, East)

And speaking about "Turks", who are the retards coming here coming with wolf sign & emblems that strikingly ressembles that of the turks ?

and Turkey btw is a pro-western country, supported by mainly Western countries. Russia is North-Eastern european country, so not at all concerned

Sorry but it seems the whole world hates you. and you are still into your "oh but the West dominates the world". At the end, this will be your doom

I don't care about your views. In fact: if you hate us so much, then why would you even want to be in NATO ? And why are you so butt-hurt about Western Europeans wanting to go their own way with the ANZACS, Canadians and Americans ? Or maybe it's because you know, deep down, that without us, you're fucked ?

This will have nothing to do with you as we would be looking West. Not East:

[justTosee]

NATO should be enterly exterminated.

It's people, declared warcriminals, killed and hanged.

It's military bases, nuked out (specially the one in Romania, is has only served to kill innocent civilians in Afganistan)

not to mention those located in the ME (Located in Turkey : served as terrorist base/recruitement/training, Located near Iran : serves as intimidation, Located in SA : serves as nothing)

Once all this is done, then the whole world will start to "breathe" again

[Dragoon]

In other words - core NATO. But I would prefer to abandon Poland just the same. Why ? Because it simply doesn't serve our own goals - which aren't land-based and towards Russia but sea-based and engaged in the protection of our own economic lifelines: in other words - the Atlantic Ocean, the Caribbean, the Arctic Region, the Panama Canal and the Pacific. but also the Indian Ocean).

No more this:



But a lot of this:

Well I dont care much about your envisioned "new atlantic order" (simply wont happen).
The Americans and Brits (the ones who matter) love to have nations between Germany and Russia to keep the division.
That was one of the original reasons to keep NATO in Europe (Germans down, Russians out).

https://www.counterfire.org/articles...istory-of-nato

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Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down' - those were the words of Nato’s first Secretary General, Lord Ismay, when explaining the aims behind the new military alliance (as it was then).

[The Lawspeaker]

Well I dont care much about your envisioned "new atlantic order" (simply wont happen).
The Americans and Brits (the ones who matter) love to have nations between Germany and Russia to keep the division.
That was one of the original reasons to keep NATO in Europe (Germans down, Russians out).

https://www.counterfire.org/articles...istory-of-nato

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Says a communist source. And actually: it's not unlikely that it will as a lot of people here in the West (be it Britain or the Netherlands) are already quite fed up with the East - both in regards to NATO and (particularly) the EU. Even when they agree with some national conservative policies, they consider Eastern Europe to be mooches (at best).

Most countries involved are, traditionally, naval rather than land army powers (Britain, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway - France and Germany too have strong naval traditions and the U.S too once relied more on its navy than the army and kept them traditionally small at the expense of the navy).

[Dragoon]

NATO should be enterly exterminated.

It's people, declared warcriminals, killed and hanged.

It's military bases, nuked out (specially the one in Romania, is has only served to kill innocent civilians in Afganistan)

not to mention those located in the ME (Located in Turkey : served as terrorist base/recruitement/training, Located near Iran : serves as intimidation, Located in SA : serves as nothing)

Once all this is done, then the whole world will start to "breathe" again

A lot of paleoconservatives in America also feel NATO is outdated and America should leave (ask them). The Warsaw Pact was a reaction to NATO, and the first fell. Whats the purpose of NATO today?
See my earlier comment.

Given that paleoconservatives are only a small portion of Americans. The Democrats/Liberals voters in America like NATO more than the Republicans/"conservatives" because its internationalist organization.
The matter of elites is different. Both Republican and Democrats still largely support it.