Admixture modelling of Turkic ancient samples. (peer-reviewed paper)

[Voskos]

All the models are taken from this paper:https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...03.25.008078v1
Turkic-period individuals
Sample ID: Admixture
ZAA004 :100% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
ZAA002 :100% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
TSB001 :72,9% Sarmatian+27,1% Gonur1_BA
NOM001:64,9% Sarmatian+18,8% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave +16,3% Gonur1_BA
ULI002: 31,4% Sarmatian +68,6% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
ZAA007: 24,7% Sarmatian +75,3% Ulaanzuukh_Slabgrave
TUM001:17,9% Sarmatian+82,1% Han_2000BP
UGU001:19,4%Sarmatian +80,6% Khovsgol_LBA
TUK001: 53,3 Gonur1_BA +46,7% Sarmatian

[Voskos]

Related older thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Mongolia/page3

[Kaspias]

Another important thing about this article is we had one Proto-Turk like outlier sample from Hovsgol. Thanks to this article it is proved that the Hovsgol sample is not a coincidence, and today's known Turkic form was already present in BA.

See the samples:

Distance to:	MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444	Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612	Bashkir
0.08215698	Nogai

Distance to:	MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791	Bashkir
0.06274597	Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867	Uzbek

Distance to:	MNG_Sagly_EIA_4
0.04129674	Bashkir
0.04756727	Tatar_Siberian
0.08012403	Nogai

Distance to:	MNG_EIA_2
0.05602901	Bashkir
0.08332488	Tatar_Siberian
0.08525325	Tatar_Lipka

Distance to:	MNG_EIA_5
0.06174371	Tatar_Siberian
0.06412454	Bashkir
0.06853078	Uzbek

Distance to:	MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252	Bashkir
0.08378775	Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335	Tatar_Siberian

Distance to:	MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
0.06213650	Bashkir
0.07780193	Udmurt
0.08062894	Besermyan

[Lucas]

Another important thing about this article is we had one Proto-Turk like outlier sample from Hovsgol. Thanks to this article it is proved that the Hovsgol sample is not a coincidence, and today's known Turkic form was already present in BA.

See the samples:

Distance to:	MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444	Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612	Bashkir
0.08215698	Nogai

Distance to:	MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791	Bashkir
0.06274597	Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867	Uzbek

Distance to:	MNG_Sagly_EIA_4
0.04129674	Bashkir
0.04756727	Tatar_Siberian
0.08012403	Nogai

Distance to:	MNG_EIA_2
0.05602901	Bashkir
0.08332488	Tatar_Siberian
0.08525325	Tatar_Lipka

Distance to:	MNG_EIA_5
0.06174371	Tatar_Siberian
0.06412454	Bashkir
0.06853078	Uzbek

Distance to:	MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252	Bashkir
0.08378775	Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335	Tatar_Siberian

Distance to:	MNG_Pazyryk_EIA_6
0.06213650	Bashkir
0.07780193	Udmurt
0.08062894	Besermyan

So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?

[Kaspias]

So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?

You are correct. Proto-Turkic should be Bashkir like genetically, and Chuvash like linguistically.

Eastern Scythians are Turks' themselves who live in that time period.

[Bender1999]

Yes actually really interesting but werent the Samaratians Iranic?

[Konstantinos]

Do they model moderns also? For example Turkish people and Azeris?

[Leto]

So proto-Tuyrkic is Bashkir-like and we have also east Scythian samples like that? Or I am wrong?

You are correct. Proto-Turkic should be Bashkir like genetically, and Chuvash like linguistically.

According to Balanovsky et al. Bashkirs are ca. 25-40% East Eurasian (the Northern ones are less EE than the Southern ones). It would be great to get that data which I'm sure both you and Peterski have access to.

[Voskos]

Do they model moderns also? For example Turkish people and Azeris?

I'm sure they've modelled moderns in some other papers. Not in this one though iirc.

[Konstantinos]

I'm sure they've modelled moderns in some other papers. Not in this one though iirc.

I very much look forward to such a paper. Apart from ancients, another way to model them is using pre-existing Greeks and Armenians. If done correctly it would mean using relevant groups for each region. I long to finally see detailed analysis of Greeks from Western Asia Minor and non-Trabzon Pontics. Until now people use islanders, Cappadocians and Trabzon Pontics to model them which don't necessarily represent exactly the aforementioned.