Do Anatolian Turks feel more related to Kurds or Kazakh?

[MS85]

Many Turks want people believe that Turks have only the 'European' roots, but ae not talking about other roots that are much more dominant.

Turks are just a bunch of mixed people. No Turk is the same. Terk from NorthWest is very different from SouthEast.


They are not homogeneous and that is a sign and fact that Turks in Anatolia are mixed very people with different roots. Terks don't belong to any race, since they have 'many' races in them.


The most unmixed people in the Western Asia are Kurds who are from the Aryan race.

[MS85]

Don’t quote me anywhere you scum sucking rat, i don’t have a time to read your bullshits here.

Ugly retard semi-Mongoloid mongrel Terk. I'm here to counter your filthy subhuman mongrel lies.

[itilvolga]

Ugly retard semi-Mongoloid mongrel Terk. I'm here to counter your filthy subhuman mongrel lies.

Any sane person who has enough knowledge about genetics would clearly see that you talk like shit here. Balkan Turks mainly (not all of them tho) were sent from Central Anatolia, especially from Konya to Balkans and you claim that their situation is similar with Afro Turks. Go and educate yourself a bit instead of fucking goats all day long, K*rt.

[MS85]

Any sane person who has enough knowledge about genetics would clearly see that you talk like shit here. Balkan Turks mainly (not all of them tho) were sent from Central Anatolia, especially from Konya to Balkans and you claim thar their situation is similar with Afro Turks. Go and educate yourself a bit instead of fucking goats all day long, K*rt.

Mongrel Terk,

Balkanic Terks were native to the Balkans who came to Anatolia. Same with the African Terks. None of them are NATIVE to the western Anatolia. You just can't accept that Turks have even a lot nigger genes in them.


Turks belong to a 'BASTARD' race. A product of mass rape. Even pure noble Africa tribes are much much more noble than filthy mongrel Terks.


Terky, terky..

[21993]

No, Turks are much, much more. Just examine how much of 'Eastern Mediterranean' / Levantise aka Western Semitic (proto-Semitic) auDNA Turks have. It is much much more than in Kurds.

Semitic auDNA in Kurdistan is mostly ancient, from the Babylonian/Chaldean era.

Semitic / Levantise auDNA in Turks is very resent, mostly from the assimilation of the modern Arabs.

This is not true. Just look at the SOuthwest Asian admixture components: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autos..._country.shtml

[Kaspias]

I think Anatolian Turks are both genetically, phenotypically and somewhat culturally share a common field with Kurds, but according to Turanist it may be different.

Ethnic Turks don't have any common with Kurds. As opposite, they don't like their culture.

Anatolian Turks aren't really Turkic Genetically. Only about 15%, that is pretty small. They are far more Middle Eastern and European which suggest they haven't changed much since the stone ages.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/

East Eurasian is not "Turkic DNA". Turks have never been 100% East Eurasian. Oghuz's were 25-35% East Eurasian. Modelling of Turkey Turks and Greeks(for comparison) according to the current samples:

Western Anatolia:

Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873

Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17

Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531

Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33


Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226

Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15


Central Anatolia:


Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281

Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67


South Anatolia:


Turkish_Adana:2.0433

Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17


North Anatolia:

Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954

Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33


Ottomans:




Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641

Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5


Greeks:


Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606	

Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67


Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124

Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33


Greek_Crete: 2.6698

Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5


Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314

Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33

They said 15% Central Asian but Middle Easterners and Europeans (especially Brits and Irish) also have Central Asian DNA:

On the other hand, Central Asians also have DNA from Neolithic people from the Levant and some Russian like DNA from Andronovo people.

1. Europeans don't have Central Asian DNA, they have Steppe DNA which don't carry East Eurasian.
2. Central Asians don't have Levant DNA but Iranic DNA.
3. Mixture of Steppe and East Eurasian occured in Karasuk culture, proto-Turks come out in Karasuk as a mix of Caucasid and Mongoloid people.

On Dodecad Turkey is 0-18% mongoloid.

I guess you already know what i'm going to say.

They're pretty distant to both. I would think they are closest to Azerbaijanis.

True.

Most of Turks are Turkified Iranian, Anatolian, Balkan

There are some, mostly Turkified Iranians. There are some people who gets 50% Greek + 50% Tadjik although they supposed to get 50% Turkmen. - so lack of East Eurasian - This points out there were Turkified Iranics. On the other hand, Turkified Anatolian population is about ~15-20% of Anatolian Turks. Turkified Balkan population around ~10% of Balkan Turks. Most of Turks are ethnic Turks.

A lot Turks have also Arabic/Levantise Semitic roots. People tend to underestimate Semitic auDNA in them..

There is no Arabic/Levant mix in ethnic Turks. Greeks mixed with Levants, then Turks mixed with Greeks. This is the route how they got Levant admixture. On the other hand, Arab mix have never occured. Just there are few Turkified Arabs in South-Eastern Anatolia

There are Afro Turks even their number exceed 400,000

Afro Turks were slaves brought from Africa and have nothing to do with ethnic Turks. Their population is around 100.000, not 400.000

Turkic is a cultural identity more than an ethnic one.

Anatolian Turks have done well for themselves. They are most successful group among Turkic family along with Azeris of Iran.

Turk is both ethnic and culturaly identity.

No, Turks are much, much more. Just examine how much of 'Eastern Mediterranean' / Levantise aka Western Semitic (proto-Semitic) auDNA Turks have. It is much much more than in Kurds.

Semitic auDNA in Kurdistan is mostly ancient, from the Babylonian/Chaldean era.

Semitic / Levantise auDNA in Turks is very resent, mostly from the assimilation of the modern Arabs.

East-Med is not only represents Levant, it also represents Greek admixture. Even mainland Greeks score up to 35%. Are they Levants? Gedmatch components can't be related with just one ethnic since they're mix of whole region. A Turkish and A Kurd from same region:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.65
2 East_Med 25.59
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.72
5 Baltic 5.81
6 North_Atlantic 5.21
7 Red_Sea 3.56
8 Siberian 1.07
9 East_Asian 1.06
10 Northeast_African 1.05
11 Amerindian 0.65

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.78
2 East_Med 28.02
3 West_Med 10.59
4 Siberian 7.77
5 Baltic 6.34
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Red_Sea 4.45
8 South_Asian 3.33
9 East_Asian 1.12
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Amerindian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.18


Shows Turks have more Med, Kurds have more WA and SA.

Afro Turks are similar to Balkan 'Turks'. Both of them are NOT native to the Middle East.

Turkey is not Middle-East but Eurasian. Balkan Turks are ethnic Turks while Afro-Turks are not.




I'm going to report this thread because it is apparently trolling.

[itilvolga]

Mongrel Terk,

Balkanic Terks were native to the Balkans who came to Anatolia. Same with the African Terks. None of them are NATIVE to the western Anatolia. You just can't accept that Turks have even a lot nigger genes in them.


Turks belong to a 'BASTARD' race. A product of mass rape. Even pure noble Africa tribes are much much more noble than filthy mongrel Terks.


Terky, terky..

Come to me with proofs instead of butthurt.

How dare you call us as Bastards? You have no state. You don’t belong anywhere. You dirty K*rts are the biggest bastards of Middle East, even some of you have no citizenship in any country, Iraqi government just kicked your ass out so bad. These K*rts who are not citizens in any country have no difference than street dogs since both of them are not counted as “human” officially. Know your place when you call my nation as bastard again you subhuman valueless fuck face.

[Gangrel]

Ethnic Turks don't have any common with Kurds. As opposite, they don't like their culture.



East Eurasian is not "Turkic DNA". Turks have never been 100% East Eurasian. Oghuz's were 25-35% East Eurasian. Modelling of Turkey Turks and Greeks(for comparison) according to the current samples:

Western Anatolia:

Turkish_Istanbul: 0.7873

Balkanic-Aegean 53.33
Turkic 27.5
Caucasian 19.17

Turkish_Aydin: 1.4531

Balkanic-Aegean 42.35
Turkic 39.17
Caucasian 18.33


Turkish_Balikesir: 1.2226

Balkanic-Aegean 42.5
Turkic 42.5
Caucasian 15


Central Anatolia:


Turkish_Kayseri: 2.0281

Balkanic-Aegean 40
Caucasian 33.33
Turkic 26.67


South Anatolia:


Turkish_Adana:2.0433

Balkanic-Aegean 39.17
Turkic 31.67
Caucasian 29.17


North Anatolia:

Turkish_Trabzon 3.0954

Caucasian 66.67
Balkanic-Aegean 33.33


Ottomans:




Anatolia_Ottoman: 1.7641

Turkic 85.83
Balkanic-Aegean 9.17
Caucasian 2.5
Eastern Balkans 2.5


Greeks:


Greek_Central_Anatolia: 3.7606	

Balkanic-Aegean 58.33
Caucasian 41.67


Greek_Trabzon: 2.7124

Caucasian 71.67
Balkanic-Aegean 28.33


Greek_Crete: 2.6698

Balkanic-Aegean 82.5
Caucasian 17.5


Greek_Mainland-Average: 0.1314

Balkanic-Aegean 87.5
Eastern Balkans 9.17
Caucasian 3.33

1. Europeans don't have Central Asian DNA, they have Steppe DNA which don't carry East Eurasian.
2. Central Asians don't have Levant DNA but Iranic DNA.
3. Mixture of Steppe and East Eurasian occured in Karasuk culture, proto-Turks come out in Karasuk as a mix of Caucasid and Mongoloid people.




I guess you already know what i'm going to say.



True.



There are some, mostly Turkified Iranians. There are some people who gets 50% Greek + 50% Tadjik although they supposed to get 50% Turkmen. - so lack of East Eurasian - This points out there were Turkified Iranics. On the other hand, Turkified Anatolian population is about ~15-20% of Anatolian Turks. Turkified Balkan population around ~10% of Balkan Turks. Most of Turks are ethnic Turks.



There is no Arabic/Levant mix in ethnic Turks. Greeks mixed with Levants, then Turks mixed with Greeks. This is the route how they got Levant admixture. On the other hand, Arab mix have never occured. Just there are few Turkified Arabs in South-Eastern Anatolia



Afro Turks were slaves brought from Africa and have nothing to do with ethnic Turks. Their population is around 100.000, not 400.000



Turk is both ethnic and culturaly identity.



East-Med is not only represents Levant, it also represents Greek admixture. Even mainland Greeks score up to 35%. Are they Levants? Gedmatch components can't be related with just one ethnic since they're mix of whole region. A Turkish and A Kurd from same region:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 40.65
2 East_Med 25.59
3 South_Asian 8.65
4 West_Med 6.72
5 Baltic 5.81
6 North_Atlantic 5.21
7 Red_Sea 3.56
8 Siberian 1.07
9 East_Asian 1.06
10 Northeast_African 1.05
11 Amerindian 0.65

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 32.78
2 East_Med 28.02
3 West_Med 10.59
4 Siberian 7.77
5 Baltic 6.34
6 North_Atlantic 4.63
7 Red_Sea 4.45
8 South_Asian 3.33
9 East_Asian 1.12
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Amerindian 0.28
12 Northeast_African 0.18


Shows Turks have more Med, Kurds have more WA and SA.





Turkey is not Middle-East but Eurasian. Balkan Turks are ethnic Turks while Afro-Turks are not.




I'm going to report this thread because it is apparently trolling.

Tajiks had similar East Eurasian scores to Turkmens last time I checked.

[Kaspias]

Tajiks had similar East Eurasian scores to Turkmens last time I checked.

Yes. There are no Anatolian Turks who score 0 East Eurasian, so they have Turkic ancestor in somewhere their past. But some scores between 1-3. They usually got Tadjik instead of Turkmen.

The ones who score 0 is not ethnic Turk, neither do Anatolian Turk, but convert.

[Marmara]

Enough with these threads.