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    Default Alternative History; Would The Nazis Have Won If They Embraced German Jews As German?

    In January 1933, some 522,000 Jews lived in Germany. They comprised a high percentage of the educated intellectual classes -including engineers, doctors, lawyers, academics and business owners- being of Jewish origin. German Jews were highly patriotic, for instance, in WW1 "Over 100,000 had served in the Army; 12,000 perished in battle, while another 35,000 were decorated for bravery," with over 80% serving on the front-lines.

    During Hitler's pre-Nazi years he had many Jewish friends including a Jewish room-mate in a Vienna boarding-house and, as an artist, was part of a very "Jewish" scene with Jewish Samuel Morgenstern the most loyal buyer of Hitler's paintings. It is known he appreciated the works of Jews such as Felix Mendelssohn and Gustav Mahler and held in high esteem the Jewish apostate and poet Heinrich Heine.

    The boarding-house that Hitler was reduced to living in during his difficult "Vienna period" 1909-1913 was even funded by the Rothschild and Gutmann families. Hitler almost died of a very serious lung illness illness in 1904 but was cured by a Jewish doctor Eduard Bloch to whom Hitler would be eternally grateful and award "special protection" to during the Anschluss.

    "At this period, Hitler was not yet an overt anti-semitic ; many of his
    friends or acquaintances were Jewish and he even painted a
    postcard for Dr. Bloch on the back of which he showed his
    gratitude for the concern and the care given to his dear mother.
    Hanish even wondered whether Hitler was not a Jew himself
    because "his beard was very bushy and his feet as wide as those
    of the wandering Jews in the desert." According to Hanish's "I was
    Hitler's Buddy" published before the war, Hitler was then far from
    being anti-semite : he appreciated the Jewish art dealers much
    more than the Christian dealers, like the frame manufacturer
    Schiefer in the Schumlenbrunnerstrasse, who didn't pay any better
    than the Jews. Besides, they only bought again when they had
    disposed of the first lot, while the Jewish dealers continued to buy
    whether they had sold anything or not.

    Hitler often said that it was only with the Jews that one could do
    business, because only they were willing to take chances."


    Hitler may very well have never developed his deep genocidal hatred for Jews. He might even have held them, rightly, as contributing out of all proportion to their numbers to German society and culture. If Hitler had not hated Jews and either been Jewish-friendly (as he was pre-WW1) or neutral towards Jews (and not introduced the Nuremberg laws) would Germany have lost the war?

    My view is that Germany would have won the war if Hitler didn't commit genocide against or perscecute Jews. Germany would have been much more united politically. Millions of men could have been better utilised towards the war effort. Jewish scientists, expelled by Hitler, later developed the Nucleur bomb winning the war for the Allies. Had Jewish scientists been utilised by Germany the result would have been an Atom bomb for Germany thus winning the war for instance Sir Rudolf Peierls, Hans Bethe and Otto Robert Frisch had all left Germany due the the Nuremberg laws.

    What do you think?

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    It's hard to imagine any alternative ending to WWII that doesn't involve a nuclear Berlin, or at least a completely firebombed country that ends up resembling more the Morgenthau Plan than a 1000 year empire.

    But if there is one scenario that does allow some kind of victory, it would be this one. Jewish scientists could have made the difference.
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    Nazis may have won without an idiot like Hitler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguino View Post
    Nazis may have won without an idiot like Hitler.
    Without Hitler, Germany wouldn't have gotten even out of the economical crisis of that time.
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    If Hitler didn't back stab the Soviet Union and didn't destroy everyone he conquered but rather put them in his empire, he would have won all of Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pinguino View Post
    Nazis may have won without an idiot like Hitler.
    He was also a risk taker which did work to his advantage during the early stages of the war.

    I think he may have been possessed by the same demon that possessed or communicated with Mohammed. That's my own wacky view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
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    I think he may have been possessed by the same demon that possessed or communicated with Mohammed. That's my own wacky view.

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    Alternative History; Would The Nazis Have Won If They Embraced German Jews As German?

    probably not, since he had a lot of other enemies in europe at the time

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    Nazis lost because of ambition, is my opinion. Hitler should've focused on Germany and Austria first and foremost. Then after Germany and Austria was a superpower greater and more productive than the rest of Europe and possibly even the United States would there have been a chance to invade Europe. Hitler moved way too quickly. If he waited, I would've guessed there would be a fascist Western Europe (excluding Britain) a communist Eastern Europe (Soviet Union), and the United States as competing superpowers. The Anglo sphere would probably ally with the United States. Also, I would think that Japan would still have started the Pacific War in the event that the Nazis preferred isolationism. The Pacific War might've lasted longer though if Nazi Europe didn't push intellectuals to come to the U.S with the mindset to develop nuclear arms.

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    I find this thread to be disturbing.

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