Independent Kurdistan: would you support it?

[Abti]

Yes, only if it means other unrecognized countries become independent as well.

[chinshen]

If you look at everything what happened during the history, many empires committed a lot of crimes against many people. Assyrian population was nearly annihilated by Mongolians, and do you know who helped them, Orthodox Armenians. Several hundreds years later Turks and Kurds committed genocide against Armenians and the Assyrians who survived. Some decades later Turks started to oppress Kurdish people. You see everyone experienced pain in that lands, every criminal claimed that all the killed peoples collaborated with imperialist or enemy powers. If Assyrians would be numerous enough, have an united settlement area I would be the first one who would support an independent Assyrian nation. Neither you nor me can’t change what happened in the last 1000 years in the Middle East, Kurds are a fact now. Are they innocent, no they aren’t. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t experiencing injustice right now. If you have a good idea how we could solve current chaotic situation in Middle East, then tell us how. Everyone who has no solution just claims there is a foreign power who tries to do this or that.

That is a myth that Kurds, Arabs and others in the rea try to propagate to shift the blame for the genocide and crimes committed against Assyrian and to legitimize the stealing of ancestral Assyrian lands and cities. That is not to deny that the Mongols did a lot of harm to the Assyrian population, but to blame all the killing, land stealing marginalization and other crimes solely on Mongols is dishonest at best.

This is the first time I hear that the Orthodox Armenians helped the Mongols in exterminating Assyrians, what proofs do you have? I highly doubt that happened at all.
By the way Armenians are not Orthodox, but Apostolic Christians just like most Assyrians.

How could Assyrians or any other ethnic group be numerous if they are constantly subjected to murder and genocide for the last thousand years?
Assyrians did have contiguous settlements until as recent as 1915 from Lake Van North in what is now Turkey to Lake Urmia in the East in Iran to what is Northern Iraq and North Eastern Syria in the South on what was left left of our ancestral lands, but guess who is claiming that land now as their ancestral lands since Neanderthal times?
Kurds are far from being innocent, and no they have not been subjected to genocide or mistreatment in their entire history except to the deplorable crimes and genocide that Saddam Hussein committed against them in the eighties and early nineties of the last century while they were always the perpetrators of it.

[DomitiusAurelian]

Her biji Kurdistan

Barzani veya PKK hakkında ne düşünüyorsun?

[chinshen]

What happened to Assyrians was karma having a huge score to settle and their abandoned gods applauding it.

Is the same karma gonna soon happen to Turks too?

Assyrians committed a lot of horrible crimes in ancient times against their neighbors, but those crimes fade comparing to what the Turks had committed in their medieval and modern history, so lets wait for your karma since you too have abandoned your old gods just like Assyrians did.

[Mejgusu]

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It is a fact that Armenians(and Georgians) helped Mongolians conquering Westasia, and Mongols killed whole cities and villages. Helping mass murderers makes you co-responsible, whether you like it or not. Anatolian Seljuks requested help against Mongolians because Armenians were their allies. Kurdish authorities did the same with Turks killing Ottoman Christians 1915.

How could Assyrians or any other ethnic group be numerous if they are constantly subjected to murder and genocide for the last thousand years?
Assyrians did have contiguous settlements until as recent as 1915 from Lake Van North in what is now Turkey to Lake Urmia in the East in Iran to what is Northern Iraq and North Eastern Syria in the South on what was left left of our ancestral lands, but guess who is claiming that land now as their ancestral lands since Neanderthal times?

This is exactly what I am trying to tell you, Assyrians experienced a lot if genocides against them. I rather would support an independent Assyria than Kurdistan, even the hometown of my parents in Centralanatolia was Assyrian thousands of years ago. But Kurds are a fact, whether I and you like it or not, I prefer an independent Kurdistan over an useless Iraq, dangerous daesh and aggressive Erdoganist Turkiye.

[chinshen]

But they have every right to end the lives of the Turks.

When did the Assyrians take the lives of Turks?
On the contrary, Assyrians were the one who have given you your authentic Turkic alphabet and helped to educate you while you were still pastoral in your ancestral lands in Altai, Turkistan and north central Asia (Assyrians then were referred to as Nestorians by others, but that is just a religious label not ethnic).

[DomitiusAurelian]

Is the same karma gonna soon happen to Turks too?

Assyrians committed a lot of horrible crimes in ancient times against their neighbors, but those crimes fade comparing to what the Turks had committed in their medieval and modern history, so lets wait for your karma since you too have abandoned your old gods just like Assyrians did.

I haven't abandoned the old gods. There are many people like me. Also karma already hit us if you ask me, we lost our empire.

[Demirkazık]

When did the Assyrians take the lives of Turks?
On the contrary, Assyrians were the one who have given you your authentic Turkic alphabet and helped to educate you while you were still pastoral in your ancestral lands in Altai, Turkistan and north central Asia (Assyrians then were referred to as Nestorians by others, but that is just a religious label not ethnic).

What I wrote wasn't targeted towards you but Armenians and Kurds, I have nothing but respect towards Assyrians. Sure the Uyghur alphabet came from you guys and we took it from the Sogdians, but the Orkhon inscription was the work of the Tamgas of the Turkic tribes back then. (As you can see from the root word *yạŕ- from Proto-Turkic, meaning writing, we can definitely understand that they were doing something similar to writing or scribbling.)

I don't quite understand the reason of your hostility towards us, back then we were also Nestorian Christians who got converted by your ancestors.

[chinshen]

[QUOTE=Mejgusu;7810588]It is a fact that Armenians(and Georgians) helped Mongolians conquering Westasia, and Mongols killed whole cities and villages. Helping mass murderers makes you co-responsible, whether you like it or not. Anatolian Seljuks requested help against Mongolians because Armenians were their allies. Kurdish authorities did the same with Turks killing Ottoman Christians 1915.

Mongols did not need help from any Armenian or Georgian to conquer West Asia, can you give some historical records of that?
Seljuks were not from originally in Anatolia when Mongols invaded West Asia, but they were actually part of the Mongol/Tatar federation. Seljuks came to West Asia because of the vacuum left by the Mongols and were actually of Tatar stock.

This is exactly what I am trying to tell you, Assyrians experienced a lot if genocides against them. I rather would support an independent Assyria than Kurdistan, even the hometown of my parents in Centralanatolia was Assyrian thousands of years ago. But Kurds are a fact, whether I and you like it or not, I prefer an independent Kurdistan over an useless Iraq, dangerous daesh and aggressive Erdoganist Turkiye.

No one likes Iraq, it is a failed state from the beginning created by the British for their own interests. That is why they brought an Arab and his family from the Arabian peninsula and installed him as a king to rule over their artificially created country.
Don't take me wrong, I don't have anything against Kurds, but lets not distort history and bad events that happened.

[chinshen]

What I wrote wasn't targeted towards you but Armenians and Kurds, I have nothing but respect towards Assyrians. Sure the Uyghur alphabet came from you guys and we took it from the Sogdians, but the Orkhon inscription was the work of the Tamgas of the Turkic tribes back then. As you can see from the root word *yạŕ- from Proto-Turkic, meaning writing, we can definitely understand that they were doing something similar to writing or scribbling. I don't quite understand why you are hostile towards us, but at that time we were also Nestorian Christians who were converted by you.

I am not hostile toward you or hate you at all, I am just pointing out historical facts. Believe me I don't have any ill feeling toward Turks.