Do modern Macedonians have some Ancient Macedonian ancestry?

[Petros Houhoulis]

It's obvious that you like pseudoscience and sort off but there isn't anything like "They were Slavs who conquered that asiatic tribe and adopted their name from them".

No proofs, no sources nothing, nada, niente...

The Bulgarian kingdom was a complex one because the Bulgars just like the Avars messed up a lot of things in the Balkans.

They were the conquerors since the beginning and they weren't conquered by no Slavs, they just incorporated them in their kingdom, just like they incorporated the Romanized and Hellenized people of Macedonia and Thracia.

They established the Ohrid archbishopric and the first universities in Ohrid from where the Slavic word and speech was spread along the borders of the Bulgarian kingdom.

And Macedonia stopped being only Greek since the 6th century AD if it ever was in the first place, most probably not because the Latin influence was also big in Macedonia!

There was no significant Latin influence in Macedonia you moron. Have you checked the Jirecek line at all???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jirecek_line

The Jireček Line is a conceptual boundary through the ancient Balkans that divides the influence of the Latin (in the north) and Greek (in the south) languages in the Roman Empire from Antiquity until the 4th century. It goes from near the city of Laçi in modern Albania to Serdica (now Sofia, in Bulgaria) and then follows the Balkan Mountains to Odessus (Varna) on the Black Sea. However, the proposed line is a theoretical tool only, and Latinized groups live south of the line, such as the Aromanians, Meglenites, Cutzovlachs (Kutzo-Vlachs), and Moscopolitans. Even so, it is a useful — although approximate — instrument for determining which influence a certain area was predominantly exposed to. The placement of the line is based on archaeological findings: most of the inscriptions found to the north of it are written in Latin, and most of the inscriptions found to the south of it are in Greek.This line is important in establishing the area where the Romanian and Vlach people formed (see origin of the Romanians).
It was originally used by Czech historian Konstantin Jireček in 1911 in a history of the Slavic people.
More recent scholars have revised it somewhat: Kaimio (1979) places Dalmatia and Moesia Superior in the Latin area and Moesia Inferior in the Greek sphere. MacLeod (1982) suggests that there may not have been "an official language policy for each and every aspect of life" but that "individual Roman officials [made] common sense ad hoc decisions". He also points out that while the area was under Roman rule, "even in Greek areas... Latin was the dominant language in inscriptions recording public works, on milestones, and in the army".

Macedonia had at least one Illyrian tribe, the Lyncestians, since the antiquity, and of course the Bryges were originally Lusatians...

Pseudosience is your middle name...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Here are the tribes of ancient Macedonia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...s_in_Macedonia

Not all of them were Hellenic....

The list is wrong. For example, the Dardani did not live in Ancient Macedonia, they lived in your shithole.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Interesting that Macedonian, Illyrian and Thracian are outside the Greek dialectal zone



Interesting also the etymology of the name Macedon and why these people were known as being taller than the Greeks.

Interesting that everybody can make their own maps and pass them as "facts". What is the language of the inscriptions found in Ancient Macedonia kiddo?

What language is this?

[Petros Houhoulis]

I believe Coon also observed that Macedonian Greeks were taller and lighter than southerners. Hmmm I wonder why

Should all Greeks be an exact copy of each other? Would that satisfy you? Are all of you the same in your "ethnic group"???

[Petros Houhoulis]

You can stick to pseudo history, that's your field and can keep your sarcastic comment for yourself.

We were talking Anthropology here, about noses and stuff, nothing concerning you.

You can stick to pseudoscience here, or you can bring up DNA evidence. This shit ain't anthropology dear, its' taxonomy. You have no fucking idea of what you are talking about.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Quite similar to the ancient Macedonians...

In fact the Paeonians were allied to Ancient Athens against Ancient Macedonia, and most of the time they were enemies with Ancient Macedonia anyway:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeoni...eonian_kingdom

In early times, the chief town and seat of the Paionian kings was Bylazora (now Veles in North Macedonia) on the Vardar; later, the seat of the kings was moved to Stobi (near modern Gradsko).^[22]Subjugation of the Paeonians happened as a part of Persian military operations initiated by Darius the Great (521–486) in 513 – after immense preparations – a huge Achaemenid army invaded the Balkans and tried to defeat the European Scythians roaming to the north of the Danube river.^[22] Darius' army subjugated several Thracian peoples, and virtually all other regions that touch the European part of the Black Sea, such as parts of nowadays Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, and Russia, before it returned to Asia Minor.^[22][23] Darius left in Europe one of his commanders named Megabazus whose task was to accomplish conquests in the Balkans.^[22] The Persian troops subjugated gold-rich Thrace, the coastal Greek cities, as well as defeating and conquering the powerful Paeonians.^[22][24][25]
At some point after the Greco-Persian Wars, the Paeonian princedoms coalesced into a kingdom centred in the central and upper reaches of the Axios and Strymon rivers, corresponding with today's northern part of North Macedonia and western Bulgaria. They joined with the Illyrians to attack the northern areas of the kingdom of Macedonia. The Illyrians, who had a culture of piracy, would have been cut off from some trade routes if movement through this land had been blocked. They unsuccessfully attacked the northern defences of Macedonian territory in an attempt to occupy the region. In 360–359 BC, southern Paeonian tribes were launching raids into Macedon, (Diodorus XVI. 2.5) in support of an Illyrian invasion.
The Macedonian Royal House was thrown into a state of uncertainty by the death of Perdiccas III, but his brother Philip II assumed the throne, reformed the army (providing phalanxes), and proceeded to stop both the Illyrian invasion and the Paeonian raids through the boundary of the "Macedonian Frontier", which was the northern perimeter which he intended to defend as an area of his domain. He followed Perdiccas's success in 358 BC with a campaign deep into the north, into Paeonia itself.^{[26][27][28][29][30][31]} This reduced the Paeonian kingdom (then ruled by Agis) to a semi-autonomous, subordinate status, which led to a process of gradual and formal Hellenization of the Paeonians, who, during the reign of Philip II, began to issue coins with Greek legends like the Macedonian ones. A Paeonian contingent, led by Ariston, was attached to Alexander the Great's army.
At the time of the Persian invasion, the Paeonians on the lower Strymon had lost, while those in the north maintained, their territorial integrity. The daughter of Audoleon, a king of Paeonia, was the wife of Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, and Alexander the Great wished to bestow the hand of his sister Cynane upon Langarus, king of the Agrianians, who had shown himself loyal to Philip II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grabus

Grabus belonged to the tribe of the Grabaei, although the tribe may have been incorporated into the Taulantii realm of which Grabus became king.^[1] After Philip II of Macedon defeated Bardylis (c. 358 BC), the Grabaei under Grabus became the strongest state in Illyria.^[3][2]
In 356 BC, Athens formed an alliance with Grabus, Paeonian king Lyppeius, and Thracian king Cetriporis against Philip. Some months later the three northern kings were defeated by Philip's general Parmenion, while the Athenians were otherwise engaged in the Aegean Sea.^[4]

[Petros Houhoulis]

Roman Macedonia around 5th century AD:



More then a half of today Makedonishtan is in Macedonia Salutaris and small parts in Macedonia Prima!

Yes, but none of Makedonishtan has anything to do with the thema of Macedonia 5 centuries later!!!



As far as I am concerned, Macedonia was what the Macedonians called home, not what the Romans or the Byzantines used as a name...

[Petros Houhoulis]

@Hellenas

The most accurate depictions of Alexander and Philip actually show slightly convex noses...

I mean, don't you see that marble head of Philip found in Vergina?
Does that nose look straight to you?

Idealization is what is called but you are too stubborn to see.

You say, from the profile my nose is straight but from the front is like Gruevski
I mean really??

The only way to see if a nose is straight or not is from profile

One thing is for sure, none of the Macedonians depicted on busts or coins had a small button nose like the guy on your avatar.

The Macedonian nose as depicted on busts and coins is long and flashy with a small bump on the top.

That small bump makes the nose slightly convex and not fully straight.

After all, the ancient Macedonians were viewed as Barbarians by the Greeks...

Your problem is that the Macedonians spoke Greek, and considered themselves to be Greek, no matter what their noses looked like, or what the Athenians thought of them.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I know right. They literally hated each others guts.

For the record, once more:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grabus

Grabus belonged to the tribe of the Grabaei, although the tribe may have been incorporated into the Taulantii realm of which Grabus became king.[1] After Philip II of Macedon defeated Bardylis (c. 358 BC), the Grabaei under Grabus became the strongest state in Illyria.[3][2]In 356 BC, Athens formed an alliance with Grabus, Paeonian king Lyppeius, and Thracian king Cetriporis against Philip. Some months later the three northern kings were defeated by Philip's general Parmenion, while the Athenians were otherwise engaged in the Aegean Sea.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeoni...eonian_kingdom

In early times, the chief town and seat of the Paionian kings was Bylazora (now Veles in North Macedonia) on the Vardar; later, the seat of the kings was moved to Stobi (near modern Gradsko).[22]Subjugation of the Paeonians happened as a part of Persian military operations initiated by Darius the Great (521–486) in 513 – after immense preparations – a huge Achaemenid army invaded the Balkans and tried to defeat the European Scythians roaming to the north of the Danube river.[22] Darius' army subjugated several Thracian peoples, and virtually all other regions that touch the European part of the Black Sea, such as parts of nowadays Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, and Russia, before it returned to Asia Minor.[22][23] Darius left in Europe one of his commanders named Megabazus whose task was to accomplish conquests in the Balkans.[22] The Persian troops subjugated gold-rich Thrace, the coastal Greek cities, as well as defeating and conquering the powerful Paeonians.[22][24][25]At some point after the Greco-Persian Wars, the Paeonian princedoms coalesced into a kingdom centred in the central and upper reaches of the Axios and Strymon rivers, corresponding with today's northern part of North Macedonia and western Bulgaria. They joined with the Illyrians to attack the northern areas of the kingdom of Macedonia. The Illyrians, who had a culture of piracy, would have been cut off from some trade routes if movement through this land had been blocked. They unsuccessfully attacked the northern defences of Macedonian territory in an attempt to occupy the region. In 360–359 BC, southern Paeonian tribes were launching raids into Macedon, (Diodorus XVI. 2.5) in support of an Illyrian invasion.The Macedonian Royal House was thrown into a state of uncertainty by the death of Perdiccas III, but his brother Philip II assumed the throne, reformed the army (providing phalanxes), and proceeded to stop both the Illyrian invasion and the Paeonian raids through the boundary of the "Macedonian Frontier", which was the northern perimeter which he intended to defend as an area of his domain. He followed Perdiccas's success in 358 BC with a campaign deep into the north, into Paeonia itself.[26][27][28][29][30][31] This reduced the Paeonian kingdom (then ruled by Agis) to a semi-autonomous, subordinate status, which led to a process of gradual and formal Hellenization of the Paeonians, who, during the reign of Philip II, began to issue coins with Greek legends like the Macedonian ones. A Paeonian contingent, led by Ariston, was attached to Alexander the Great's army.At the time of the Persian invasion, the Paeonians on the lower Strymon had lost, while those in the north maintained, their territorial integrity. The daughter of Audoleon, a king of Paeonia, was the wife of Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, and Alexander the Great wished to bestow the hand of his sister Cynane upon Langarus, king of the Agrianians, who had shown himself loyal to Philip II.

[Petros Houhoulis]

^ So what? Whats the point?

What's the point of feeling a proud Bulgar...



...while pretending to be Macedonian, when we all know that you are an Australopitheki after all...