Scythians were genetically heterogenous

**Dick** · 06-10-2019, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Daco Celtic

You can do a similar thing with the different Bell Beaker samples on the nMonte. They also seem to have some genetic diversity.

Nice idea. I'm guessing the Bavaria was more southern shifted

"fit": 3.2003,
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria": 55.83,
"Bell_Beaker_CZE": 42.5,
"Bell_Beaker_HUN": 1.67,
"Bell_Beaker_CHE": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_England": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_FRA": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_ITA": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_Iberia": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_POL": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_Rhine-Main": 0,
"Bell_Beaker_Scotland": 0,

Spoiler!

**Armenian Bishop** · 06-10-2019, 05:16 AM

The Scythian People inhabited a huge area of land, so it's not a surprise that they were a "heterogeneous" people. The Greeks (Hellenic People) and Romans (of the Roman Empire) viewed them in a similar fashion to their descriptions of the Gauls and Celts; another words, they grouped and bundled together such People into vast areas, without investing enough interest for subgroups and tribal areas.

**FinalFlash** · 06-10-2019, 05:47 AM

Scythians seemed to be more of a meta-ethnicity. Many look mixed-race based off the calculators.

**~~Pandit~~** · 06-10-2019, 07:03 AM

They were türks.

**sushi** · 06-10-2019, 07:54 AM

Thanks for posting this, Disaffection!

**Ayetooey** · 06-10-2019, 09:30 AM

Got Y Dna results for these samples?

**Grace O'Malley** · 06-10-2019, 10:47 AM

This is my result looking at the different Beakers.

I don't suppose this is a good model because of overfitting.

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Grace",
"fit": 1.7843,
"Bell_Beaker_CZE": 29.17,
"Bell_Beaker_NLD": 28.33,
"Bell_Beaker_England": 24.17,
"Bell_Beaker_POL": 10,
"Bell_Beaker_Iberia": 4.17,
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria": 1.67,
"Bell_Beaker_Scotland": 1.67,
"Bell_Beaker_ITA": 0.83,
"Bell_Beaker_FRA": 0,
"closestDistances": [
"Bell_Beaker_POL:I6583: 2.840373",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I5379: 3.095986",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I3256: 3.167474",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I5750: 3.167937",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I5514: 3.168645",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4895: 3.209434",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7249: 3.273542",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7212: 3.378206",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5521: 3.382729",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7269: 3.413063",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2447: 3.477249",
"Bell_Beaker_Scotland:I5367: 3.527298",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7251: 3.582633",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I5382: 3.586158",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4889: 3.669372",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I1767: 3.685582",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I5512: 3.715663",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4073: 3.860518",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5523: 3.876500",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2452: 3.956512",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4946: 3.967879",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5833: 3.971260",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7281: 4.003843",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5658: 4.036573",
"Bell_Beaker_FRA:I1390: 4.103438",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4068: 4.104320",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4069: 4.116700",
"Bell_Beaker_POL:I6580: 4.122347",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09569: 4.124499",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6590: 4.131025",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4076: 4.135140",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2443: 4.154141",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5023: 4.155409",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I3255: 4.264102",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7290: 4.290430",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4888: 4.292814",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I6777: 4.297242",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2445: 4.320089",
"Bell_Beaker_Scotland:I5385: 4.377921",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I6679: 4.385257",
"Bell_Beaker_POL:I4253: 4.397955",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7287: 4.407690",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2453: 4.418502",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5525: 4.450664",
"Bell_Beaker_FRA:I1381: 4.461367",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5531: 4.467049",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5834: 4.477997",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5659: 4.592224",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7278: 4.612652",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I6775: 4.633399",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I5666: 4.652837",
"Bell_Beaker_FRA:I1382: 4.656251",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7276: 4.658699",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I6480: 4.738408",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7213: 4.739812",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2418: 4.781085",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7205: 4.805800",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3589: 4.831579",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I6778: 4.831579",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7211: 4.835876",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I5513: 4.972850",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7275: 5.014661",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5519: 5.036138",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6624: 5.040438",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09613_d: 5.072479",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3600: 5.078397",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2459: 5.083640",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4075: 5.098423",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2454: 5.116572",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5529: 5.120242",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I6774: 5.135961",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4896: 5.162322",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7282: 5.196726",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3601: 5.207657",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4891: 5.208569",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7286: 5.220959",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I6591: 5.250588",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I4074: 5.252579",
"Bell_Beaker_NLD:I5748: 5.271054",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7250: 5.371561",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I7214: 5.440746",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2450: 5.470560",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4886: 5.719882",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3588: 5.738551",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I4950: 5.874477",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2455: 5.922090",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I5376: 5.975593",
"Bell_Beaker_Iberia:I6623: 6.134290",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5020: 6.168488",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4945: 6.316068",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I4951: 6.384269",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2417: 6.492690",
"Bell_Beaker_POL:I6582: 6.733346",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I3590: 6.869195",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5520: 6.876886",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I4885: 6.881384",
"Bell_Beaker_CZE:I5025: 6.975922",
"Bell_Beaker_England:I2416: 7.417199",
"Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:E09538: 8.411665",
"Bell_Beaker_ITA:I2478: 8.461019"

The fit for Scythians is too large so not really a good fit for me.

"sample": "Custom:AGUser_Grace",
"fit": 5.0595,
"Scythian_HUN": 52.5,
"Scythian_UKR": 38.33,
"Scythian_MDA": 5,
"Saka_Tian_Shan": 3.33,
"Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA": 0.83,

**Grace O'Malley** · 06-10-2019, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Ayetooey

Got Y Dna results for these samples?

All the Bell Beakers are R1b.

Here's the Scythians

Scythian Hungary - YDNA R1,G-PF3378
Scythian_MDA - YDNA R1b1a1a2
Scythian_UKR - YDNA R1b1a1a2
Saka_Tian_Shan - YDNA R1a1, R1, (I don't know if they're really sure on this one?)

**Dick** · 06-10-2019, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

This is my result looking at the different Beakers.

I don't suppose this is a good model because of overfitting.

The fit for Scythians is too large so not really a good fit for me.

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what's a good fit %? i dont understand

**Pahli** · 06-10-2019, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Pandit

They were türks.

No.

Scythians were diverse, most Scythians from Western Kazakhstan to Europe were dominantly Caucasian with minor East Eurasian admix.

The more East you go, the more East Asian admixed they became.

Samples from Volga Scythians / Sarmatians show that they descent from Sintashta with some Central Asian farmer and Asian admixture.