Veganism debate thread

[Hamilcar]

Better treatment in slaughterhouses is a paradox. There is no humane killing. It needs to be banned and replaced with artificial meat once for all (not to mention how much slaughterhouses and factory farms pollute the environment)

what's next ? Food chain is a paradox ? Killings are part of nature, you're breaking this natural harmony based on subjective human concepts. Now that our planet is overpopulated I'm totally ok with finding new alternatives like insects or artificial meat (even though I doubt the latter will be good for us in the long term) but totally getting rid of meat is simply ridiculous.

[Dick]

I don’t care what other people put in their mouths

[Jana]

what's next ? Food chain is a paradox ? Killings are part of nature, you're breaking this natural harmony based on subjective human concepts. Now that our planet is overpopulated I'm totally ok with finding new alternatives like insects or artificial meat (even though I doubt the latter will be good for us in the long term) but totally getting rid of meat is simply ridiculous.

My opinion on this is clear. Nature should be left alone. You already can get protein from supplements, ofc artificial meat will be possible without being health damaging.
In Singapore they are already developing it.

Humans will soon be on Mars, ofc we can find ways to create necessary meat for us in more modern ways.

[Universe]

I don’t care what other people put in their mouths

vegans care though.

[Universe]

These animals our ancestors killed for food lived free life in the nature, were not breed for slaughter and lived miserable life until miserable end!
Progress isn't always negative.

1) Yes, maybe humans could survive without eating meat, but I was just giving an example where being high empathy wasn't beneficial. So I don't see "high empathy" as a good argument.
2) Pro-immigration activists use the same argument to justify pro-immigration policies ('It is our moral duty to take care of these people'), yet you aren't pro-immigration. So for you high-empathy is sometimes good, sometimes not?
3) You say you don't want to influence me, yet you want me to eat artifical meat instead of the real thing. You also support vegan movements.
4) Taking advantage of animals and/or killing them is a very human trait. Human species wouldn't be a thing without continously killing them in the past. Not only was it our major food source, I've read there are scientist who argue animal derived food was what made our brain growth possible. So killing and eating animals is what makes us human. So I don't understand why vegan activists talk about "lack of humane treatment" when someone kills animals.
5) I think you should also fight mice who eat albatross chicks alive.

I say artificial meat is the future.

Abortion too
I'm kinda indifferent to abortion, but I know you're against it.

Because I assume you care about humans, and humans are also animals, the only thing making us unique is our consciousness.

Ticks, mice, rats, cockroaches, vipers, flies, mosquitos, intestinal parasites etc are also animals.
Animals are food, humans are not. Killing humans is against the law, killing animals isn't against the law (and the law is based on customs/morals).

[Universe]

My opinion on this is clear. Nature should be left alone.

Keeping livestock bred by humans on a farm isn't nature. A deer wandering in a forest is.

Humans will soon be on Mars, ofc we can find ways to create necessary meat for us in more modern ways.

Humanity will visit mars in the next couple of decades, but establishing a viable human society there in the future is something doubtable (even if Elon Musk claims it's 100% possible in his lifetime). There are experts who don't agree with him. A mars colony will require very, very huge amount of money and technology we don't have yet.

[Jaromir]

ten years on vegetarianism and still alive

[Mr.G]

I neither endorse or oppose it.

However, I suspect that there are many vegans who do not get enough protein in their diet, particularly complete proteins, and that's not good.

[Hamilcar]

My opinion on this is clear. Nature should be left alone. You already can get protein from supplements, ofc artificial meat will be possible without being health damaging.
In Singapore they are already developing it.

Humans will soon be on Mars, ofc we can find ways to create necessary meat for us in more modern ways.

That doesn't make sense we're ourselves part of this nature. We have always interacted with it, exploited it, etc we're simply top predators so there is no "nature should be left alone" something more reasonable would be to limit our destructive impact on it but I don't believe in a total autonomy from it.

[Defiance]

There is absolutely no valid argument against animal rights. It essentially boils down to "should billions of animals be tortured to death, or should they they not?" The answer is glaringly obvious to everyone who is not a complete waste of oxygen.

Why should I care about animal lives and why should they be treated in a humane way?

What a wonderful, darling man you are.