Genetic Comparison of Yamnaya and Modern Peoples

[Leto]

Is the reason why many Tajiks, especially Yaghnobi, Pamiri etc. look surprisingly European (unlike how Iranians with lower admix of it) to me connected to their elevated Yamnaya?

The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

[Roy]

Many Afghans as well who look White. Yeah its probably due to their high Yamnaya which comes from Sintashta_MLBA and later Indo-Iranian ancestry. I learn that most of the Steppe in the region is from Sintashta and later Indo-Iranian tribes such as Saka, Yuezhi, Hephthalites and Kushan.

Ancient Iranian tribes like the Kangju or Wusun in Xinjiang were described by the ancient Chinese as having red hair and light color eyes, so its possible.

It is present in Afghans too but much more rare. They are for the most brown.

[Roy]

The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

They do have Mong admix (some less some more, phenotypically it is also sometimes visible sometimes it isn't) but for me they look whiter than Persians.

[Zanzibar]

It is present in Afghans too but much more rare. They are for the most brown.

I see. There are even some really euro-looking individuals from Northern Pakistan as well but they are probably in the same rate of occurrence as those Afghans.

Btw the Kangju and Wusun were genetically very similar to modern day Pamiris as well albeit with a lot more Steppe/NE Euro-like admixture.

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to average pops. Rushan, Shugnan, Ishkashimi and Sarikoli_China are Pamiri groups.

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04642827 Tajik_Rushan
0.05333563 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05938397 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.06547397 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06608789 Tajik_Kulob
0.06857330 Tajik_Hisor
0.07185144 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07307013 Tajik_Ayni
0.07780823 Sarikoli_China
0.08322970 Tatar_Kazan
0.08760580 Tatar_Mishar
0.08948466 Darginian
0.09043039 Lak
0.09044371 Avar
0.09056960 Tabasaran
0.09136428 Kaitag
0.09592543 Kubachinian
0.09710709 Udmurt_o2
0.09767762 Kumyk
0.09824898 Komi
0.09830813 Besermyan
0.10027222 Turkish_Northwest
0.10081121 Udmurt_o1
0.10093807 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10112755 Turkish_Rumeli

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.05580111 Tajik_Rushan
0.05629074 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05671604 Tajik_Hisor
0.06021785 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06078304 Sarikoli_China
0.06201771 Tajik_Kulob
0.06373055 Tajik_Ayni
0.06704546 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07994618 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08001587 Tatar_Kazan
0.08493944 Besermyan
0.09018473 Tatar_Lipka
0.09039335 Iranian_Turkmen_Golestan
0.09151686 Udmurt_o1
0.09540808 Kho_Singanali
0.09563333 Tatar_Mishar
0.09733165 Udmurt_o2
0.09753845 Turkmen
0.09800469 Udmurt
0.09852664 Udmurt_o3
0.10087677 Komi
0.10496953 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10608172 Jatt_Pathak
0.10663758 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.10843858 Ror

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to individual modern pops:

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04319231 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.04831221 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.04952520 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05131953 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05211085 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05272571 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108
0.05450416 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05453805 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05610744 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05636725 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.05814240 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05838513 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1095_tadjik_yag
0.05869834 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.05933178 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05954228 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1110_tadjik_yag
0.06004373 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1176_tadjik_yag
0.06225576 Tajik_Rushan:tdj521_rushan
0.06255086 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.06399901 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06563584 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj258_ishkashim
0.06618863 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ0197_tadjik_yag
0.06997877 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.07009816 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag
0.07020224 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0574
0.07031523 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1041

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.04983483 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.05001934 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05548121 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05683412 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05693620 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05838535 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05847307 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05848897 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0982
0.05856736 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.05978739 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.06020636 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.06243028 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06343035 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.06355003 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.06358172 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0798
0.06367254 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.06439422 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0984
0.06455690 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.06468044 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0807
0.06555159 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0573
0.06630372 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj252_ishkashim
0.06651329 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0686
0.06671862 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0484
0.06714219 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1032
0.06739878 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108

[Roy]

I see. There are even some really euro-looking individuals from Northern Pakistan as well but they are probably in the same rate of occurrence as those Afghans.

Btw the Kangju and Wusun were genetically very similar to modern day Pamiris as well albeit with a lot more Steppe/NE Euro-like admixture.

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to average pops. Rushan, Shugnan, Ishkashimi and Sarikoli_China are Pamiri groups.

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04642827 Tajik_Rushan
0.05333563 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05938397 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.06547397 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06608789 Tajik_Kulob
0.06857330 Tajik_Hisor
0.07185144 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07307013 Tajik_Ayni
0.07780823 Sarikoli_China
0.08322970 Tatar_Kazan
0.08760580 Tatar_Mishar
0.08948466 Darginian
0.09043039 Lak
0.09044371 Avar
0.09056960 Tabasaran
0.09136428 Kaitag
0.09592543 Kubachinian
0.09710709 Udmurt_o2
0.09767762 Kumyk
0.09824898 Komi
0.09830813 Besermyan
0.10027222 Turkish_Northwest
0.10081121 Udmurt_o1
0.10093807 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10112755 Turkish_Rumeli

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.05580111 Tajik_Rushan
0.05629074 Tajik_Shugnan
0.05671604 Tajik_Hisor
0.06021785 Tajik_Badakshan
0.06078304 Sarikoli_China
0.06201771 Tajik_Kulob
0.06373055 Tajik_Ayni
0.06704546 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.07994618 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08001587 Tatar_Kazan
0.08493944 Besermyan
0.09018473 Tatar_Lipka
0.09039335 Iranian_Turkmen_Golestan
0.09151686 Udmurt_o1
0.09540808 Kho_Singanali
0.09563333 Tatar_Mishar
0.09733165 Udmurt_o2
0.09753845 Turkmen
0.09800469 Udmurt
0.09852664 Udmurt_o3
0.10087677 Komi
0.10496953 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10608172 Jatt_Pathak
0.10663758 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
0.10843858 Ror

Distance of Kangju and Wusun to individual modern pops:

Distance to: KAZ_Kangju
0.04319231 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.04831221 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.04952520 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05131953 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05211085 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.05272571 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108
0.05450416 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.05453805 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05610744 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05636725 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.05814240 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05838513 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1095_tadjik_yag
0.05869834 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.05933178 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05954228 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1110_tadjik_yag
0.06004373 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1176_tadjik_yag
0.06225576 Tajik_Rushan:tdj521_rushan
0.06255086 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.06399901 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06563584 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj258_ishkashim
0.06618863 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ0197_tadjik_yag
0.06997877 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.07009816 Tajik_Yagnobi:TJ1101_tadjik_yag
0.07020224 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0574
0.07031523 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1041

Distance to: KAZ_Wusun
0.04983483 Tajik_Rushan:tdj12_rushan
0.05001934 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0688
0.05548121 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0517
0.05683412 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj305_shugnan
0.05693620 Tajik_Rushan:tdj277_rushan
0.05838535 Tajik_Rushan:tdj261_rushan
0.05847307 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj409_shugnan
0.05848897 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0982
0.05856736 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.05978739 Tajik_Rushan:tdj868_rushan
0.06020636 Tajik_Rushan:tdj508_rushan
0.06243028 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj275_shugnan
0.06343035 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0486
0.06355003 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj979_shugnan
0.06358172 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0798
0.06367254 Tajik_Rushan:tdj54_rushan
0.06439422 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0984
0.06455690 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj126_shugnan
0.06468044 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-0807
0.06555159 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0573
0.06630372 Tajik_Ishkashim:tdj252_ishkashim
0.06651329 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0686
0.06671862 Tajik_Hisor:TJ-0484
0.06714219 Tajik_Ayni:TJ-1032
0.06739878 Tajik_Kulob:TJ-0108

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.





And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

[Leto]

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.

[IMG]https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5ab61c67ec4eb7ab7a2f40f2/1532751820593-2YA11R9LU88L2WU62OT8/wakhi-women?format=1000w

And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

[IMG]https://res.cloudinary.com/fleetnation/image/private/c_fit,w_1120/g_south,l_text:style_gothic2:%C2%A9%20Eric%20Laffo rgue,o_20,y_10/g_center,l_watermark4,o_25,y_50/v1513116693/ggxuwbpqxcmbgjnjswi7.jpg

Here are the new reconstructions of Sintashta people. They are considred Proto-Indo-Iranians





On the other hand, the BMAC people were not white



https://ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions

[Zanzibar]

That Wakhi woman from NE Afghanistan on the left has a look that seems to pop up from time to time. It is probably a leftover from those earlier populations.





And this one looks completely Caucasoid.

Here are two Tajiks (prolly Pamiris) from this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Silence-(1998)





Also not from Tajikistan but from Northern Pakistan. They look very Northern or Eastern Euro. Ancient Steppe Indo-Iranian tribes probably look like them. From this thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6668950

[Roy]

The Tajiks as a whole are probably darker and certainly less Caucasoid than the Iranians (incl. the Azeris).

Those two random Tajik men (likely native Pamiri Tajiks) certainly look whiter than typical people from Iran. Tajiks from Dushanbe though tend to have Mongoloid influence but not the case in some other regions apparently. And I am of fairly unpopular opinion that many Persian people look like they could be Indian.

Tajik girl





From Dushanbe though ...


From Iran

[Leto]

Those two random Tajik men (likely native Pamiri Tajiks) certainly look whiter than typical people from Iran. And I am of fairly unpopular opinion thst many Persian people look like they could be Indian.

Pamiri peoples are about 5% of the population in Tajikistan. Meanwhile as recently as the 1980s the republic was over 20% Uzbek. Now it might officially be lower (UZB is assimilating its local Tajiks and TJK is doing the same with its Uzbeks). I assure you white Pamiris which people from outside the former Soviet Union keep posting online do not look like 90+% of the population. An average person in Tajikistan is not lighter than an average Iranian. He may have 2-3 times as much Steppe ancestry but also more South and East Asian admixture. In Iran the South and East Asian is typically below 5% outside of Balochi and Turkic minority areas, respectively.

[Leto]

By the way, I'd gladly mix with a high-Steppe Pamiri woman being a proud R1a guy myself. More gladly than with some of the low-IE/low-R1 Europeans.