Jesus appears to atheist

[Thanas Django]

That's a handmade drawing of numbers.

Can you show me numbers in a real life setting, like floating next to your pet goldfish for example.

Here's a handmade drawing of Jesus

[GreentheViper]

That's a handmade drawing of numbers.

Can you show me numbers in a real life setting, like floating next to your pet goldfish for example.

Here's a handmade drawing of Jesus

I have no clue what you're on about. If you're going to imply that because I can't see numbers floating beside my goldfish but I could see Jesus floating beside my goldfish and thus he's real, we'll have to stop then.

[Thanas Django]

I have no clue what you're on about. If you're going to imply that because I can't see numbers floating beside my goldfish but I could see Jesus floating beside my goldfish and thus he's real, we'll have to stop then.

That's a nice strawman you described.

Please show me a photograph of numbers in real life.

[GreentheViper]

That's a nice strawman you described.

I literally said, IF you say that.

[GreentheViper]

Please show me a photograph of numbers in real life.

I already did.

[Thanas Django]

I already did.

With all due respect, that's a drawing, a representation.

I also showed you a drawing of Jesus, but you wouldn't take it as proof of the existence of Jesus.

I don't take your drawing of numbers as proof of their existence.

I want to see them in real life.

[GreentheViper]

With all due respect, that's a drawing, a representation.

I also showed you a drawing of Jesus, but you wouldn't take it as proof of the existence of Jesus.

I don't take your drawing of numbers as proof of their existence.

I want to see them in real life.

I see the point that you're trying to make. Numbers are used as classifiers. I have one apple and then a second apple appears and I have two. Numbers aren't real in the sense that you can touch them but you can use the to calculate the amount of objects. Same as language. You can't physically touch language but it's used as a communication tool and is real in that way. Jesus isn't real because there is no reason why he should be, science is always improving on the way in which we can know how our universe, humans and others are created. The Bible could be used as a over exaggerated history book and philosophy book.

[Thanas Django]

I see the point that you're trying to make. Numbers are used as classifiers. I have one apple and then a second apple appears and I have two. Numbers aren't real in the sense that you can touch them but you can use the to calculate the amount of objects. Same as language. You can't physically touch language but it's used as a communication tool and is real in that way.

Jesus isn't real because there is no reason why he should be, science is always improving on the way in which we can know how our universe, humans and others are created. The Bible could be used as a over exaggerated history book and philosophy book.

Humans have communicated information to each other using stories for thousands of years.

Before writing was invented, oral storytelling tradition kept communities together and the values of the culture passed on from parent to child.

Many cultures from the Inuit to the European to the Australasian somehow share similar stories to communicate similar values. For example, the story of the flood and the ark or the story of the dragon (and St. George in Christian tradition).

Perhaps, just like numbers are an abstraction we created to measure this world, the stories found in the Bible are an abstraction of how we perceive the world works, of our values and morality.

Whether Jesus existed in real life as depicted in the bible is inconsequential in some levels, because on other levels of truth he is an abstract model of how we should treat life or at least how our ancestors perceived should be the best way to do so.

[GreentheViper]

Many cultures from the Inuit to the European to the Australasian somehow share similar stories to communicate similar values. For example, the story of the flood and the ark or the story of the dragon (and St. George in Christian tradition).

Those stories are at best over exaggerated bouts of history. The flood and the ark was most likely on a far smaller scale.

Perhaps, just like numbers are an abstraction we created to measure this world, the stories found in the Bible are an abstraction of how we perceive the world works, of our values and morality.

Whether Jesus existed in real life as depicted in the bible is inconsequential in some levels, because on other levels of truth he is an abstract model of how we should treat life or at least how our ancestors perceived should be the best way to do so.

I agree with your last statement, I try to follow Jesus's teachings because he had wisdom, my contention was that he was not God's son nor do I think there is a God, I could be wrong, but I think there isn't. And that's my contention with Religion in general, I can't believe in supernatural things like God or Angels but I can appriciate the teachings of Jesus, his cultural impact and the faux-historical accounts in the Bible. But he was not the son of God.

[Thanas Django]

I agree with your last statement, I try to follow Jesus's teachings because he had wisdom, my contention was that he was not God's son nor do I think there is a God, I could be wrong, but I think there isn't. And that's my contention with Religion in general, I can't believe in supernatural things like God or Angels but I can appriciate the teachings of Jesus, his cultural impact and the faux-historical accounts in the Bible. But he was not the son of God.

and it's not my job to convince you to believe in anything.

However, if you are interested in these topics in general I recommend watching this lecture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtEZvLo-Sc&t=7131s