No, southern Europeans have no reason to want to be northern Europeans.

[Jana]

Good examples of cultures that are family oriented and very successful are Chinese and Jewish culture.

[Ford]

That's how it was for centuries, living at home until marriage (which used to be lot earlier, but that's another topic). Actually, living typical irresponsible student life often creates adult children who keep living like teenagers until their middle age. Family run business is a very good model which makes children obliged to work and help learn business from early age, but they still remain with their family.

Plus I support military service for men, like it's done in Greece and Finland. It's def. useful.

People used to get married in their late teens or early twenties, so it's still different. And irresponsible student life is a problem on its own, but I still think it gives more valuable life experience than compared to staying at home and being taken cared of by your parents.

But yes, basic military service is something all men should go through.

[Ford]

Why would someone pay rent for a rented apartment if he have his own family house, usualy with whole floor to himself, as house in Balkans are often built?

Just to be "independent" and away from parents?

I rather give part of my salary to the family budget than to pay a rent.

I understand that it's not financially optimal or even possible for some, but it has more to do about cutting the line between parent and child than independence per se. And I don’t mean disowning your parents, but to live independently from them.

[Centurion]

@Centurion...the health system is a pattern of comparison for developed nations, you can not compare a shithole like Cuba where it takes 3 years to "form" a "doctor" with EU standards where it takes at least 8-10 years to become a professional in the medical area.

I compare IP countries with Scando countries, not with Cuba.

There is absolutely nothing where northern European countries are better except for the higher wages and social assistance

They are also more productive, more innovative, and actually surpass South Euros countries in most fields.

Wich comes along with a considerably higher living cost

Northern Euro HDI is stronger with GDP per capita calculated in Purchase Power Parity so it takes the cost of living in account. And even if we consider this, Northern Euro countries surpass Southern Euros countries.

they know what's coming and so do you, so save us the bullshit.

It's not simply a Northern Euro thing. The whole EU is threatened of bankruptcy, the first which went into it was a South Euro country - Greece - and the countries which have the best chance to avoid it are the Germanic ones, whom the economy is stronger and more stable than the ones of South Euros countries.

Denmark in 1500 was not richer than anyone, the figures of Madison in the early 1990's were completely made up and are unanimously considered useless nowadays

Nope. And you have no proof that Denmark was not richer anyway. Your opinion is subjective and biased. It has absolutely no objectivity and therefore, no value.

Anyway, every data shows that Scando countries GDP per capita (in PPP) was, at worst, at a similar level of wealth than Spain and Italy in the late 19th century, and a superior level than Portugal and Greece. If Scando countries were irrelevant, then South Euro countries were irrelevant too (and SE countries were irrelevant indeed).

The idea that family unit is stronger in the South is, in all likelihood, wrong. Here is the ranking of divorce rates by countries in Europe. Spain and Portugal have among the highest ranks, while Denmark and Ireland have among the lowest. https://www.statista.com/statistics/...100-marriages/

The idea the gays are "persecuted" in Hungary is obviously a bullshit. However, Spain is among the countries with the highest support for gay marriage. The difference in this regard in West-East, not North-South. Poland is one of the most traditionalist country of Europe, is not in the South. Ireland was also among the most traditionalist too, it was not in the South and Irish women still make more kids on average than women of any South Euro country.



Not to mention than Gran Canaria, Milan, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, and Lisbon are among the most gay friendly cities in the world. Notably because the local boys there are easy to ass fuck. South Europeans are as much faggots and degenerate than Northern Euro ones, if not more.

https://www.hostelworld.com/blog/gay-friendly-cities/ https://wowtravel.me/11-most-gay-fri...-in-the-world/

Europe 1830–1938 (Bairoch)
GNP (PPP) per capita in 1960 US dollars

1830 1840 1850 1860 1870 1880 1890 1900 1910 1913 1925 1938


Denmark 208 225 256 294 340 396 502 633 739 862 845 1045
Finland 188 205 227 241 313 327 368 425 451 520 578 913
France 264 302 333 365 437 464 515 604 680 689 893 936
Germany 245 267 308 354 426 443 537 639 705 743 712 1126
Italy 265 270 277 301 312 311 311 335 366 441 480 551
Netherlands 347 382 427 452 506 542 586 614 705 754 909 920
Norway 280 305 350 401 421 464 523 577 673 749 863 1298
Spain 263 288 313 346 329 323 321 351 370 367 426 337
Sweden 194 198 211 225 246 303 356 454 593 680 765 1097
Switzerland 276 315 391 480 549 676 705 785 895 964 1020 1204
United Kingdom 346 394 458 558 628 680 785 881 904 965 970 1181

Even in these stats Spain is outperformed by Scandinavians the majority of time. You prove your retardness once again. No wonder Spain is less developed if it has to carry some dead weight like you.

[Aldaris]

I guess it is not that hard to rank the best. Nobody doubts Shakespeare, Newton etc deserve to be on the top. Why is some political historian ranking everything from philosophy to music to science? Don't tell me he uses sources. Have those source ever ranked anyone?

Not one, but a group of historians of science need to do ranking of scientists not some political historian. I doubt that any historian of science directly ranked a group of scientists. What are ranking factors etc. It could go in many ways.

Berzelius above Maxwell, where is Gauss lulz? Where are others more deserving to be in the list than some listed. Euler is so low. It is said that if one would want to copy Euler's work he would have to work 8 hours per day for 50 years.

Everytime you see those claims about 'significant figures', you can pretty much dismiss it. It doesn't work that way for quite some time. Now you have small teams with members from all around the world who work on a relatively small problems. Take a look at this conference for example.

https://math.nmsu.edu/blast-2021/bla...d-program.html

You see Indians, Americans, Slavs, Germans, Latinos, Chinese, Japanese, Caucasians, Africans... you name it.

For better or worse, we're global by now.

[Cristiano viejo]

Even in these stats Spain is outperformed by Scandinavians the majority of time. You prove your retardness once again. No wonder Spain is less developed if it has to carry some dead weight like you.

Yes... since just 1´5 centuries ago as we claim

You obsession is such that you only compare Spain, Italy etc with Scandinavia. I guess to hide France in the equation, since obviously is poorer too

Spain less developed than Scandinavia you wish Centuwog We have better infraestructures (roads, ports, railways) or health system, quality of life, expectance of life, etc etc

[Damião de Góis]

Not to mention than Gran Canaria, Milan, Rome, Madrid, Barcelona, and Lisbon are among the most gay friendly cities in the world. Notably because the local boys there are easy to ass fuck. South Europeans are as much faggots and degenerate than Northern Euro ones, if not more.

Are you speaking from experience?

[Cristiano viejo]

Are you speaking from experience?

Gay culture was born and promoted in Netherlands and Sweden.

[Damião de Góis]

Gay culture was born and promoted in Netherlands and Sweden.

I really don't know, but Centurion seems to know the gay scene well. He even knows which "boys" are easy to ass fuck. I wonder if he prefers nordic ones.

[Arūnas]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...asia-now-legal