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    Quote Originally Posted by Óttar View Post
    iOjala!
    May God wish.

    Oxala In Portugal.
    But It Is used more as :
    "I hope It (Something)happens". But we mostly say (Deus queira que sim)

    And It's just words.And it's only a small percentage of the language 5 % or something.As many words as we probably borrowed form the Amerindians.
    Indians speak English and they are not a Brit-Indian Mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post
    May God wish.

    Oxala In Portugal.
    But It Is used more as :
    "I hope It (Something)happens". But we mostly say (Deus queira que sim)

    And It's just words.And it's only a small percentage of the language 5 % or something.As many words as we probably borrowed form the Amerindians.
    Indians speak English and they are not a Brit-Indian Mix.
    Moreover, most of the Arabic words of Iberian languages haven't passed directly from Arabic but from Mozarabic and Andalusian Arabic. And many of the words are not Arabic in origin, but adopted in Arabic from Greek, Sanskrit and Persian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post
    Trading I do not think so. The Indians didn't had nothing to offer.(Later come the Christianization)

    We knew about the Americas before Columbos,In fact he used the knowledge acquired In Portugal.Also I always heard In Portugal that he was a Portuguese spy.(We had many)
    Gold. There's certain evidence that they were trading previously.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Empecinado View Post
    Moreover, most of the Arabic words of Iberian languages haven't passed directly from Arabic but from Mozarabic and Andalusian Arabic. And many of the words are not Arabic in origin, but adopted in Arabic from Greek, Sanskrit and Persian.
    They think Arabic was the Language of Iberia .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anglojew View Post
    Gold. There's certain evidence that they were trading previously.
    Gold from the Americas.

    Do you realise the effort It had to be putt In.

    Finding the Gold,dig It out,build Ships strong enough to export the gold etcetera.
    They got their Gold from Africa and Jews.(You should know that.)
    And the Ameridians would have something to say about It,and never did.

    That's just dubious "History" like Columbos being Italian because the Pope said so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lusos View Post
    Gold from the Americas.

    Do you realise the effort It had to be putt In.

    Finding the Gold,dig It out,build Ships strong enough to export the gold etcetera.
    They got their Gold from Africa and Jews.(You should know that.)
    And the Ameridians would have something to say about It,and never did.

    That's just dubious "History" like Columbos being Italian because the Pope said so.
    The other aspect of the Spanish colonial economy was the exploitation of land. Gold had always been a draw for conquistadors and later Spanish settlers; the gold and jewels stolen from the Aztecs were triumphantly displayed throughout Spain to drum up interest and support for the colonization venture. When Columbus was sent off to see what he could find by sailing west, Queen Isabella of Castile, who funded the journey, gave Columbus ownership of all the land he discovered—as long as the Crown collected 20% of the revenue. Called the quinto—which conveniently means "one-fifth"—this was the basis for all subsequent ownership grants from Castile.

    At first, gold was the primary mineral mined in the New World, and in various parts of the continent conquered Indians were given quotas of gold that they had to bring to the Spaniards as rent. Failure to adhere to these strictures often meant terrible punishment at the hands of the Spanish. But in 1545, the Spanish demand for gold deliveries slowed after a remote mountaintop in Bolivia, at a place called Potosí, began to yield silver.

    Lots and lots of silver. More silver, over the next hundred years, than had existed in all of Europe up to that time. Suddenly, the New World became a cash cow for Spain, which used its 20% of the proceeds to wage nearly endless wars in Europe. Unsurprisingly, the conditions for the Indian (and eventually African slave) labor in the mines was horrific. The arrival each autumn of the convoy carrying that year's silver from Vera Cruz, Mexico to Seville, Spain was celebrated with fireworks, public holidays, and lots of good wine for the bankers who gained much of the wealth.
    http://www.shmoop.com/spanish-colonization/economy.html
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    El Andalusia did not have influence only in Spain, but in entire medieval Europe. When Europe was sinking in its dark ages, in Andalusia Muslims were using materials of ancient civilizations of Europe, translating them, and developing in different fields. Names of many subjects still survive with Arabic names such as Algebra, Alchemy etc.

    And what Europe did is took the materials in Arabic and than re-translated and translated them into Latin.

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    I thought you asked me about the supposed Templar search for Gold and not Spain.

    Obvious Portugal.Spain the Dutch,Brits French etcetera were looking for riches.Gold Included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arianiti View Post
    El Andalusia did not have influence only in Spain, but in entire medieval Europe. When Europe was sinking in its dark ages, in Andalusia Muslims were using materials of ancient civilizations of Europe, translating them, and developing in different fields. Names of many subjects still survive with Arabic names such as Algebra, Alchemy etc.

    And what Europe did is took the materials in Arabic and than re-translated and translated them into Latin.
    The works of Greek philosophy and arithmetic were translated by Mozarabs, because they were the ones who knew Greek and Latin as the Greek was the language used in their liturgical rite (the Hispanic church was of Eastern Catholic type) and Latin because was their cult language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arianiti View Post
    El Andalusia did not have influence only in Spain, but in entire medieval Europe. When Europe was sinking in its dark ages, in Andalusia Muslims were using materials of ancient civilizations of Europe, translating them, and developing in different fields. Names of many subjects still survive with Arabic names such as Algebra, Alchemy etc.

    And what Europe did is took the materials in Arabic and than re-translated and translated them into Latin.
    While it's true that Europe benefited from the knowledge from Al-Andalus, or the Arab world in general, during the Middle Ages, you have to realize where these desert dwelers drew this from. They didn't suddenly become super-cultured after being nomads and sand eaters for millenia, they got this from the Eastern Roman Empire when they kicked their teeth in.
    Ironically much more was lost exactly because of them. Putting them on a pedestal and revering them because of how sophisticated they were is absurd.

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