BREAKING NEWS: Malaysian airlines shotdown in eastern Ukraine killing all 295 on Board

[Sarmatian]

Several members said the wrecks indicate the plane could not have been hit by a BUK missile. However, that is not true.






http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/22/wo...sis-shows.html

That's the first time I see wreckage like that. However the claims of the expert from the article are not exactly correct.

As I've said before BUK does have large quantity of submunitions in form of steel balls. When the rocket explodes all these balls are spread around by explosion penetrating large surfaces of a target. What I've found suspicious is presence of large pieces of wreckage without a scratch on it. The shrapnel from BUK should've spread over most of the plane's fuselage leaving very few areas untouched.

Another thing the expert not talking about is how air-to-air missiles work. They also have submunitions but because fighter jets can't carry load as heavy as ground-to air missiles it works a bit different. They have pack of steel rods in the warhead. When air-to-air rocket explodes it sends these rods towards target in a tight cone. So to successfully down a target air-to-air missile have to be aimed directly at it. Because of such directional effect the damage to the fuselage will be concentrated in one area affected by that cone of rods leaving the rest relatively intact.

So we can't say the expert from the article is lying but he is obviously misleading public by not telling all facts.

[Petros Houhoulis]

http://www.corriere.it/english/14_lu...a03d21e8.shtml

true or false?

Yet the militiamen showed no sense of guilt, contradicting their commander who supplied the official version. “Obviously, it wasn’t us that shot the jet down. We haven’t got missiles that reach that high. This crime was committed by the bandits who take orders from the Kiev government. One of their fighters could easily have shot down the Malaysian Airlines plane”, they point out.

Did some pro-Russian commander officiate an "Official Version" that the airplane was shot... by themselves???

Either mistranslation, or somebody has fallen for his own lie here!

[Petros Houhoulis]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-happened.html

22/7 14.23 Meanwhile ABC Newsreports Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europetold its reporters that the wreckage from the plane had been "significantly altered".According to Mr Bociurkiw, major pieces of the front of the plane appear to have been cut away.
The investigators also observed an individual cutting into the wreckage using power tools, ABC News reported.

In other words, OSCE is suspecting the pro-Russian of removing parts of the airplane which were supposedly shot by a missile. Interesting development... If they are doing this, it would be as if they are admitting their guilt.

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MH17 crash: FT photo shows signs of damage from missile strike

By Mark Odell in London and Roman Olearchyk

©Financial TimesMH17 debris in Petropavlovka, eastern Ukraine. Photo FT/Roman Olearchyk

The first apparent hard evidence that Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 was brought down by a surface-to-air missile is emerging from the crash site in eastern Ukraine, after experts confirmed on Monday there were signs of shrapnel damage to the aircraft.
The photograph above, first published by the Financial Times over the weekend, shows a piece of the downed Boeing 777 about a metre square with a gaping hole in the middle, surrounded by smaller holes and apparent burn marks.
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[Austrvegr]

Proof finally

[LightHouse89]

American news.......Russia did it! State department.....no evidence suggesting russia did it. LOL I love American media. America media.....criticizes iraq war....but wants to start world war 3 with a european super power....LOL no thanks.

[LightHouse89]

There is no such a channel in the whole world we can trust. Live for a month without any media and then listen to what people from different sides say. You will see who has fallen into delirium XDDDD

I only watch the news for weather or a local news channel about my general area. Its not that I do not care whats going on in the world I know the media trumps things up and makes fabrications all the time. When the first Malaysian airlines went down CNN went on and on about it for two months here.

I only watch international news briefly....from AJ, or Fox/CNN once and awhile....just to see if anything big is happening in the world but other than that I do not take from these channels anything as truth. Alot of people do though....They are basically zombies.

[Empecinado]

Today has dissapeared another aircraft, this time in Algeria. Casually Algeria is a non-aligned country and Morocco, the favorite bitch of the USA, is its worse enemy. Also Algeria would be the only alterative gas supplier in Europe in case the Russian gas were limited...except for the fracking gas

[Colonel Frank Grimes]

American news.......Russia did it! State department.....no evidence suggesting russia did it. LOL I love American media. America media.....criticizes iraq war....but wants to start world war 3 with a european super power....LOL no thanks.

They're not saying that it was the Russians. They're saying it was the Russian backed separatists. It would be naive to think Putin isn't supporting the separatists with military aid.

Apparently the separatists mistook the plane for something else. I have no idea how such a mistake can happen but it's not like I was there.

[Nor56]

I'm not followed behind the latest news, but somebody has published the news that was record in the black box? Suspiciously.

Guys, tangentially touched will the wing and fuselage, and the main charge was in the cockpit, riddled her in the dust. After which the aircraft is completely lost control and began to fall during the fall of the load broke duralumin and has holes where crumbled into a fine dust. Look, fired at the aircraft from above, not from below. Getting into the cockpit and debris touched the top of the wing, and not lower wing! The holes may be from guns 23 or 30 mm.
No you do not have to present a detailed investigation and how much noise raised accusing all, but not Ukraine, but are definitely fired at the aircraft from the air and are silent about the black box.

[The.Mask]

Maybe the Ukrainian army though it was a Russian plane who knows.