Cleopatra's Ancestor Tree.

[Cail]

Inspired by this - http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...t=16633&page=6 - latest installation of afrocentric bullshit about black Cleopatra. I've drawn her full (as possible) ancestor tree back to the epoch of Alexander's diadochs. What i couldn't find was the name of Acheus Seleucid's wife (though it is mentioned that she was Greek), and the wives of Mithridates I of Pontus and his son Ariobarzanes. I assumed that their wives were Greek as were they themselves, and thus Mithridates II was also greek. But they could as well be Persian.



Thus Cleopatra's calculated ancestry (calculated to the times of Ptolemies VI and VII, since outbreeding stopped at that time) is 4/16 Greek, 8/16 Macedonian, 1/16 Thessalian and 3/16 Persian.

[Osweo]

Inspired by this - http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...t=16633&page=6 - latest installation of afrocentric bullshit about black Cleopatra. I've drawn her full (as possible) ancestor tree back to the epoch of Alexander's diadochs. What i couldn't find was the name of Acheus Seleucid's wife (though it is mentioned that she was Greek), and the wives of Mithridates I of Pontus and his son Ariobarzanes. I assumed that their wives were Greek as were they themselves, and thus Mithridates II was also greek. But they could as well be Persian.



Thus Cleopatra's calculated ancestry (calculated to the times of Ptolemies VI and VII, since outbreeding stopped at that time) is 4/16 Greek, 8/16 Macedonian, 1/16 Thessalian and 3/16 Persian.

Excellent work. I put it in a diagram (I was bored);

Certain individuals are given their own unique colour here, to show how many times they repeat in the ancestry of the most famous Cleopatra. Ptolemy III, for instance, is shown in light green THIRTY TIMES. Ptolemy I's wife, Berenike I, would have appeared SIXTY TIMES, given her second marriage, but has 'slipped off the edge' a bit;



Here's one where I try to show HOW inbred Caesar's Cleopatra was;




Here's an ethnic breakdown. Macedonians in middle blue, Thessaly Greeks in turquoise, other Greeks in yellow, Persians in red, and all the mixes in a suitable colour in between;



Organising that a little, we get this;


Curious, eh?

[lei.talk]

with which genealogy program were these images produced?

[Osweo]

with which genealogy program were these images produced?

Microsoft Paint, that you get 'free' with most computers.

[Turkophagos]

Since when Macedonian and Thessalian (WTF?) is not Greek?

[Osweo]

Here's an ethnic breakdown. Macedonians in middle blue, Thessaly Greeks in turquoise, other Greeks in yellow, Persians in red, and all the mixes in a suitable colour in between;

[Turkophagos]

I made that post after reading Cail's one. It didn't make any sense the way it was written, I can't imagine anyone describing his ancestry, for example, as 50% Bavarian, 25% Prussian and 25% German.

Southern Greeks or City States would have bern more accurate.

[Osweo]

Don't be over-sensitive, it's just a ready shorthand for Greeks of indeterminate or various origins.

[Turkophagos]

I'm just making sure an albo or a skupi won't jump in the thread claiming macedonians, epirotans or thessalians weren't greeks.

[Lithium]

Macedonian :O Does such thing ever existed?