North African and Neareastern geneflow in Europe

[Cristiano viejo]

You don't have to score N.African on 23andme to get some in autosomal btw, probably not significant though.

Were you not who claimed that within the Iberian component the North African ancestry was hidden?

Her ancestors had probably emigrated from Iberia before Moors came there.

If that was so she would not know that they are from Aragón and Murcia

[Petalpusher]

Were you not who claimed that within the Iberian component the North African ancestry was hidden?

It's not just for Iberians, like the East Asian is hidden for Finns, or most of the African SSA for N.Africans, once you run real autosomals, it's another story. "Iberian" on 23and me is more Basque or something in northern Spain, it's those who get the most of it, so little N.African is in there.

In here case it's not significant as she s only 1/4, and probably even just 1/8 of her ancestry has some N.African from Murcia, not Aragon. She gets 0.51% East African, but plenty of Euro, even in the north gets that. That's gonna look like noise most of the time.

[Cristiano viejo]

It's not just for Iberians, like the East Asian is hidden for Finns, or most of the African SSA for N.Africans, once you run real autosomals, it's another story. "Iberian" on 23and me is more Basque or something in northern Spain, it's those who get the most of it, so little N.African is in there.

In here case it's not significant as she s only 1/4, and probably even just 1/8 of her ancestry has some N.African from Murcia, not Aragon. She gets 0.51% East African, but plenty of Euro, even in the north gets that. That's gonna look like noise most of the time.

Yes, I know. It is noise when the thing involves French. It is real when it involves Spanish.

[Petalpusher]

Yes, I know. It is noise when the thing involves French. It is real when it involves Spanish.

The N.Africans input, even if little most of the time, stops or become insignificant in northern Spain and Basques. The datas are here, we don't score any. We cannot invent it just to please you.

[Cristiano viejo]

The N.Africans input, even if little most of the time, stops or become insignificant in northern Spain and Basques. The datas are here, we don't score any. We cannot invent it just to please you.

In more deeper calculators French also score N.African. Even by haplogroups you do
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

[Petalpusher]

In more deeper calculators French also score N.African. Even by haplogroups you do
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

Which Haplogroups are you talking about? E1b? It's on average lower than anywhere in Germany except the north. And only because the town of Paris "Ile de France" is highly Jewish. Haplogroups are anyway not very reliable for quantifying N.African cause different subclades (Balkans would be 30% N.African by this logic)... IBD is better (cf charts above)

[Cristiano viejo]

Which Haplogroups are you talking about? E1b? It's on average lower than anywhere in Germany except the north. And only because the town of Paris "Ile de France" is highly Jewish. Haplogroups are anyway not very reliable for quantifying N.African cause different subclades (Balkans would be 30% N.African by this logic)... IBD is better (cf charts above)

Not only haplogroups. Even in these maps that you have posted France scores something of everything. Less than Spain, yes, but still something.
You should know (I bet you do) that in more deeper calculators every country scores MENA and even SSA https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=244355057

[Petalpusher]

Not only haplogroups. Even in these maps that you have posted France scores something of everything. Less than Spain, yes, but still something.
You should know (I bet you do) that in more deeper calculators every country scores MENA and even SSA https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=244355057

Im not sure how difficult it is to interpret this IBD map for you, where do you see N.African when all the red is in Spain? There s even more N.African IBD in countries like Hungary or Slovenia than in France, for some reasons, but irrelevant at this level.

I know what all these components are in K7, they won't tell you about MENA and SSA specifically this test is not designed for that. If you are refering to Basal Eurasian, yes it's in every Caucasoid pop.

[Cristiano viejo]

Im not sure how difficult it is to interpret this IBD map for you, where do you see N.African when all the red is in Spain?

I see France darker than let say Norway; That means there is something in France.

There s even more N.African IBD in countries like Hungary or Slovenia than in France, for some reasons, but irrelevant at this level.

Yeah, only it is relevant when works for Spain
Yourself is saying there is N.African IBD in France

I know what all these components are in K7, they won't tell you about MENA and SSA specifically this test is not designed for that. If you are refering to Basal Eurasian, yes it's in every Caucasoid pop.

Are you saying that the SSA in that calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=244355057 is false?

[Not a Cop]

I see France darker than let say Norway; That means there is something in France.


Yeah, only it is relevant when works for Spain
Yourself is saying there is N.African IBD in France

Do you understand, what does IBD mean?