Everything about Wilders.

[SwordoftheVistula]

In a debate with students, Mr Bos said that the Netherlands under Mr Wilders would be "unpleasant, cold and bleak".

In an interview with the NOS public broadcaster Mr Wilders said there is growing support for his policies, which include an end to immigration, the repatriation of immigrant offenders and lower taxation.

Lower taxes and fewer criminals...sure sounds 'unpleasant, cold and bleak' to me

[Thorum]

"...Geert Wilders' hopes for an independent Flanders that would join (or re-join) the Netherlands, a position he has defended before..."

I found this story really interesting and the comments even more informative!! How do are Dutch (or anyone) members feel about this?

Thanks once again to my comrade over at Gallia Watch for the story!!

[Groenewolf]

I find it a good thing that there is finaly a relative large party in the Northern Netherlands that calls for a reunification with at least a part of the Southern Netherlands, namely Flanders. However the PVV is hardly in a position to make politicaly anything more then just requests to do things, since among the other parties is probaly not something that lives as an issue. At least not big enough that the ones higher up in those parties make statements about it. Let alone anything aproaching concret political action.

[sturmwalkure]

You must have heard and read about it: the French comedian Dieudonné was in our country yesterday. Now, you were not present there?

Dewinter: No, I was not present.

What is your position towards Dieudonné and the anti-Zionist party he founded last week?

Dewinter: He is a provocateur who naturally takes every opportunity to gain the interest of his audience. Whether it is about his anti-Zionist party, or his presence at the event of Jean-Marie le Pen or his anti-Semitic statements, he provokes.

His plea of provocation is obviously his main propaganda tool. I regret that, and I think he at the very least goes much more than one bridge too far. But still, it’s his free speech.

In my humble opinion I think he has the right to say what he wants to say, although I definitely do not support his opinions, and not a hair on my head was willing to be present at Dieudonné’s show. And that is my right to freedom of expression.
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You may know that he is also a big fan of Robert Faurisson, the man who trivialized the Holocaust, and he recently give him an award, presented by someone with a costume like those worn in concentration camps. I know that you have a good relationship — so I was told — with Jean-Marie le Pen; you have a picture of him at your home. And Dieudonné is also a big fan of Jean-Marie le Pen. Apparently, Jean-Marie le Pen is the godfather of one of the children of Dieudonné. So how do you view these two?

Dewinter: First, I would like to argue that the rudeness in his umpteenth provocation by — as mentioned — having someone in concentration camp togs hand out an award… naah, that is something so utterly disgusting that there are no words for it. But let me say again: he increasingly seeks to stretch the envelope of provocation all the time and therefore scans in the least the limits of the permissible and even of freedom of expression. Because it is questionable what this has to do with freedom of speech, this insulting of an entire population, in this case the Jewish community.

But to answer the second part of your question: Yes, Jean-Marie le Pen does what he can’t refrain from doing. I am absolutely not impressed at all with those statements by Le Pen about concentration camps and the Holocaust as part of the anti-Semitic remarks he made earlier and repeated yesterday once again, and I repudiate them in the strongest terms.

Because the only aim of all that is to be controversial enough to mobilize the dwindling number of voters in the face of the European Elections. But anyway, the roads of VB and Jean-Marie le Pen are ever more explicitly diverging from each other. I cannot currently say whether we are still prepared or willing to form a group with Jean-Marie le Pen in the European Parliament.

But you have that photo of Jean-Marie le Pen with you which is still prominent on the fireplace.

Dewinter: Firstly I have no fireplace in my home, and for that matter my private desk belongs to my private life…

And do you find that the right to freedom of expression should be absolute, that everyone should be able to say everything?

Dewinter: No, not everything. Free speech stops when it becomes a call to violence. There is a restriction on free speech. But we need not have laws to muzzle the freedom of expression for that…

Is not that a bit of the strategy that VB has always made use of?

Dewinter: Take for example the statements about what he [Dieudonné] says, the complaints, the court proceedings, the conviction, that remain in the picture, not that one should grant it to the man, and he always says that he is a comedian. Well then, treat a comedian as a comedian, laugh at him and leave it there.

The court procedure against the Vlaams Blok did not quite lay any shell-less eggs for you, so that is something of which one might also say: a provocation, media exposure because of that, and being a victim.

Dewinter: If you allow me to say something in brief about that conviction of Vlaams Belang: the man in the street already knew by intuition that this prosecution was unjust, and this is of course because of the principle that a party should not be sentenced by a court but by the voters at the time of elections, through the ballot box.

Then I have a further question: last night, I think for all political parties [except Vlaams Belang] in our country there was at least one person present. And as far as I know — but there may have been be more — Fouad Ahidar of the SP.a [Flemish Socialist Party]. What is your reflection on this, that someone of what one may say is a leftist party — and this Fouad Ahidar represents the left wing of a leftist party — is present with someone who in France has a reputation of being “extreme right”? Some say “les extrèmes se touche” [extremes closing ranks] and some people here assert that it is about Jew-hatred. That the friends of extreme groups agree with each other. The extreme right with the extreme left. How do you see this?

Dewinter: I have a different view on that. I believe that Fouad Ahidar was there as an Islamist, a Muslim, and the anti-Zionist tendency, the anti-Semitic tendency, and the unfortunate Jew hatred of Dieudonné — because that what it is about — suits Fouad Ahidar, and in fact in a way he sympathizes as a Muslim. I think it is about this. And it is not particularly “les extrèmes se touche” that is the issue here, but rather the fact that anti-Semitism, hatred of Jews and so forth, is part of radical Islam and is also increasingly put into practice by less radical Muslims. I think one has to look there for a clue, and not particularly the fact that the extreme left and extreme right find each other in the anti-Semitic lead of Dieudonné.

Some have suggested that one possible solution might be for Israel to become a member of NATO, so that when it is attacked the rest of the EU or NATO is also attacked. What is your position on an Israeli membership of NATO, and maybe the EU?

Dewinter: As far as a membership of NATO is concerned, I have no problem at all with that, and I think it might even be very good when Israel joins NATO, because NATO defends freedoms and democratic values, characteristic of European civilization, and I have always said so and will repeat it again, that Israel is an outpost of the free West in Islamic-occupied territory. Thus as far as I am concerned, Europe should more explicitly support Israel, instead of always wanting to be the critic, and holier than the Pope, in its approach towards Israel. Israel happens to be in very difficult circumstances, is besieged by radical Islam and receives criticism instead of help.

Secondly, I have my reservations about the plan for accession of Israel to the EU. Let me explain why: I think in terms of its civilization, its culture and so forth, and even economically, Israel would fit perfectly into the EU. But there is of course the geographical aspect, that Israel is not geographically a part of Europe. And how can countries that are a geographical part of Europe be kept outside the EU, when we would have Israel join the EU, which is in a geographical respect very far away from Europe, in the Middle East?

Source[s]: http://joodsactueel.be/2009/03/26/73...ie-le-pen.html
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/20...dieudonne.html

I seriously hope he was saying what he said to save his butt during this interview. We all know what happened to Jörg Haider who was staunchly anti-EU, anti-NATO, etc, at least as far as I know and we all know he wasn't a big fan of Israel either... and weeks before he was assassinated he called out the international bank-mafia... I still like Dewinter though... what's anyone else's take on this interview? But if he's seriously pro-EU and pro-NATO I'm not sure....

[Loki]

His vocal support for NATO and Israel is disappointing and disconcerting. That is one of the drawbacks of what Phlegethon previously called "Nationalist parties becoming anti-Islamic outfits". In my view, Europeans should not concern themselves with Israel and their policies. That is not being anti-Semitic as some idiotic Nutzies would be, just realistic. Europeans should concern themselves with domestic matters, and the promotion of their own welfare.

Israel is an outpost of the free West in Islamic-occupied territory

Uhmm ... I don't think so. The Zionist Jews actually went to Palestine to occupy Palestinian territories. Besides, this whole idea of "The West" is something I don't support. I support European nations and peoples.

[Phlegethon]

Europe does not have a muslim problem. Europe has am immigration problem. But from my nationalist perspective those who are against this trend have an even bigger problem: Activists who sold out. And this problem is personified by Gianfranco Fini, Filip Dewinter, Manfred Rouhs, Marine Le Pen, Allesandra Mussolini, Philipp de Villiers; Pia Kjaersgaard, Nick Griffin, Gerry Adams, Alexander Dugin, Andreas Molau etc.

I did not mention Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders because they never were motivated by nationalism to start with.

In Dewinter's case I well remember the times (I think it was in 1988, when Dewinter had just beene lected into the Antwerp city council) when Dewinter was a regular guest in Bert Eriksson's 'Den Odal' café in Antwerp. In 1988 he still was attending rallies together with Eriksson, but of course he does not want to talk about it anymore as he'd lose the favour of his newfound diamond-trading friends in Antwerp with the fat purses.

[sturmwalkure]

Europe does not have a muslim problem. Europe has am immigration problem. But from my nationalist perspective those who are against this trend have an even bigger problem: Activists who sold out. And this problem is personified by Gianfranco Fini, Filip Dewinter, Manfred Rouhs, Marine Le Pen, Allesandra Mussolini, Philipp de Villiers; Pia Kjaersgaard, Nick Griffin, Gerry Adams, Alexander Dugin, Andreas Molau etc.

I did not mention Pim Fortuyn and Geert Wilders because they never were motivated by nationalism to start with.

In Dewinter's case I well remember the times (I think it was in 1988, when Dewinter had just beene lected into the Antwerp city council) when Dewinter was a regular guest in Bert Eriksson's 'Den Odal' café in Antwerp. In 1988 he still was attending rallies together with Eriksson, but of course he does not want to talk about it anymore as he'd lose the favour of his newfound diamond-trading friends in Antwerp with the fat purses.

Your right, they have sold-out and it's very depressing. And I agree, mass-immigration is a problem and not just the Muslims. It's also Negroes, Chinese, Pakis, etc.

[Poltergeist]

His vocal support for NATO and Israel is disappointing and disconcerting. That is one of the drawbacks of what Phlegethon previously called "Nationalist parties becoming anti-Islamic outfits".

Dewinter's anti-islamic discourse, spiced up with appeals to so-called "Western values", is a new form of political correctness, which is gaining increasing acceptance among many persons from the "public spheres". Curiously, many of them take pride in declaring themselves "politically incorrect! (which they are not).

[Thorum]

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"I am proud to say our culture is better..."

Geert is great!!

[Crvena zvezda]

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...oll-shows.html

Third of Dutch Muslims contemplate emigration, poll shows
Posted : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:44:35 GMT
Author : DPA
Category : Europe (World)
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Amsterdam - Thirty-six per cent of Turkish and Moroccan migrants in the Netherlands are thinking about emigrating due to the increasing popularity of the controversial Freedom Party PVV, a study conducted by polling agency Moviction showed Monday. Dutch current affairs television programme NCRV Netwerk which commissioned the poll, is to air the study's results Monday night.

More than half of Dutch Muslims think about emigrating from the Netherlands "every once in a while," the study said.

At the same time, however, 76 per cent of Dutch Muslims say they feel at home in the Netherlands.

However, 57 per cent indicate this feeling has decreased since the rise of Geert Wilders, the controversial Freedom Party leader who is highly critical of Islam.

Two in five Dutch Muslims claim they have experienced discrimination more frequently since the rise of the Freedom Party.

Almost one quarter - 24 per cent - of Dutch Muslims say they are "regularly" being discriminated against in the Netherlands. Seventy- five per cent feel native Dutch nationals have become more negative in their views towards Muslims since Wilders' popularity increase.

Remarkably, almost one fifth of Dutch Muslims - 18 per cent - partially agrees with Wilders' political ideas, while 30 per cent say they "understand" why so many Dutch nationals vote for the PVV leader.

Public television programme NCRV Netwerk commissioned the study following the Freedom Party's victory in the elections for the European parliament on June 4.

The PVV, participating in the elections for the first time, won 4 seats, becoming the second biggest Dutch party in the European Parliament.

On June 7, a national survey conducted by polling agency peil.nl said that if general elections for the parliament were to be held in the Netherlands that day, the Freedom Party would emerge as the biggest party.

The poll said the PVV would win 31 seats, beating establishment parties Christian Democrats and Labour, at an estimated 29 and 21 seats, respectively.

The Christian Democrats and Labour, which now hold 41 and 33 seats respectively, currently make up the coalition government together with the smaller Christian Union (6 seats).