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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    Of course there is free will. Nobody is forcing you to love God and serve him. It's your own choice. But every choice has consequences.
    Actually i ve read Thomas v. Kempis "Imitatio of Christi" and it is full of wisdom- many of his thoughts can- even should without a doubt- be applied on our lifes, but i think for many people thinking too much of afterlife consequences and other unanswered question it is actually what it makes harder for them to obey them because of various effects and paradoxical conclusions but the reasons for obeing them can be argued for the here and now in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    Even Orthodox priests do not deny evolution. The Old Testament is quite an allegorical book. It is not necessary to take the information verbatim. Do you deny Neanderthals and Australopithecines?
    Again, Orthodox Church (Divine and not corrupted by itslelf) has enough of Modernist priests who accept all kinds of heresies. A random priest's doubtful opinion is not an authority unless it contradicts with Fathers and Scriptures, priest is not a guru for us. As an extreme, you will find priests who advocate abortions. Old Testament is not an allegorical book. Hexameron, the Six Days of creation are literal six days during which God created everything including animals and Adam, first human.

    There are popular priests on TV who will tell you that we have one God with Muslims or even with everyone else, like it's "different ways to same God". TV Orthodoxy (just like 80% of online stuff) is a nest of all kinds of heresies and modernist lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but the Christian concept of hell was heavily influenced by the Ancient Greeks, I believe. Jews don't have a hell as Christians know it. It's more similar to what Christians would call purgatory.

    I'm pretty sure the above is correct but I'm falling asleep so I'm not going to double check.
    Well, so the Greeks also knew that hell existed. That shouldn't surprise anyone. They were very smart, and God probably revealed it to them or their ancestors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    I don't believe in macro-evolution, I believe God created Adam and Eve as it says in the Bible. It's not allegorical.

    Neanderthals were human, Australopithecines were apes. Huge difference between these two.
    There were also erectus- a man walking upright. They appeared long before Homo Sapiens according to radiocarbon data. So who were Adam and Eve? Erectus-or Neanderthals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Again, Orthodox Church (Divine and not corrupted by itslelf) has enough of Modernist priests who accept all kinds of heresies. A random priest's doubtful opinion is not an authority unless it contradicts with Fathers and Scriptures, priest is not a guru for us. As an extreme, you will find priests who advocate abortions. Old Testament is not an allegorical book. Hexameron, the Six Days of creation are literal six days during which God created everything including animals and Adam, first human.

    There are popular priests on TV who will tell you that we have one God with Muslims or even with everyone else, like it's "different ways to same God". TV Orthodoxy (just like 80% of online stuff) is a nest of all kinds of heresies and modernist lies.
    I can't accept your arguments. I believe in radiocarbon data, chemistry, biochemistry and physics. If you insist on 6 days, this is a very weak position of Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    I can't accept your arguments. I believe in radiocarbon data, chemistry, biochemistry and physics. If you insist on 6 days, this is a very weak position of Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Spoiler!
    Where is God and Jesus in this mental gymnastics exorcize?
    Went beyond my brain to be honest. What or whom is it supposed to validate as superior?

    But about the creation. How would we know that the statements of the Primordial Light as the Divine Emanation at the basis of creation are true if we have never personally experienced it.

    Here I have to agree with the Buddhist teachings, which says that (reading a book, copying and pasting it) i.e. that intellectual knowledge, data, (even if we understand it) is not enough. One needs to have a personal experience of the stated for realization of it to dawn. And realization is not enough, one needs to put it into practice for the wisdom to develop.



    It is not only the enlightened beings, or the special trees one sees bathing in this transcendent light as the “LIGHT illumines ALL”. Even every atom in the blade of grass emanates this Light.
    A true realization of this would take care of our assumed superiority/arrogance 'Victor'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    База, помимо непосредственно Евангелия
    Немного оффтоп, вспомнил про противоречие между талмудическим джедаизмом и Евангелием - коротко так: по джедаизму мир, созданный Богом, нуждается в улучшении. Вот улучшателей и растят уж сколько веков, соблазняя людей раем земным. Только конец в жудаизме прост: всем Б-говыср*нным по несколько тысяч рабов и приехали! А что про улучшателей говорит Евангелие - надлежит соблазнам придти в мир, но горе тем, через кого они приходят.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vjatych View Post
    There were also erectus- a man walking upright. They appeared long before Homo Sapiens according to radiocarbon data. So who were Adam and Eve? Erectus-or Neanderthals?
    If I have to choose between believing God or believing these "scientists", I know who I will choose. These guys have an anti-God agenda, clearly. And we know how corrupt the sciences can become, as we have recently seen in the medical science with the vaccine push worldwide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Frank Grimes View Post
    I don't know if I'm remembering correctly but the Christian concept of hell was heavily influenced by the Ancient Greeks, I believe. Jews don't have a hell as Christians know it. It's more similar to what Christians would call purgatory.

    I'm pretty sure the above is correct but I'm falling asleep so I'm not going to double check.
    Nah. The greek hell isn't a place of extreme torture im pretty sure. I read something from a theologian that technically people didn't go to hell until after Jesus (and neither did they go to heaven) since Jesus said the judgement is on how one responds to the gospel, so technically the saints are waiting to go to Heaven in Paradise and the wicked are waiting for eternal judgement in Sheol until Jesus came. Enoch's vision of hell from the Dead Sea Scrolls sounds alot like the modern hell though (Pre Christian).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWvG_sbSuxY

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