Conditions to become an ethnic group?

[Vojnik]

If I was born and raised in China, would I be an ethnic Chinese?

No way. And no one is claiming that. There's is more to it then just being born in China. This includes you ancestors. Did you ancestors speak Chinese (Mandarin ect) and have a Chinese culture?

I know a Ashkenazi Jew who was born in China but obviously isn't Ethnic Chinese, as his ancestors were European Jews by culture.

[Aldaris]

Born an rised is not enough (perhaps for countries who use Ius Soli) you need to identify with the culture and have parents/ancestors from the same territory judging by the surname for example (Ius Sanguinis)

China is a bit complex though. There are tons of different ethnicities there.

I agree with that, but when you said 'Genetic means nothing to form an ethnic group.', you neglected that using other words.

[Aldaris]

No way. And no one is claiming that. There's is more to it then just being born in China. This includes you ancestors. Did you ancestors speak Chinese (Mandarin ect) and have a Chinese culture?

I know a Ashkenazi Jew who was born in China but obviously isn't Ethnic Chinese, as his ancestors were European Jews by culture.

I know that, that was actually an example to show that the notion of ethnic group having nothing to do with genetics isn't really what the term colloquially means.

[MinervaItalica]

You are talking about the sense of nation. Ethnic is related with genetics.

I'm sorry but in this world genetics don't build up countries and/or ethnicities, common history, culture, religion, traditions do. Genetics are based on individuals.

[Vojnik]

I agree with that, but when you said 'Genetic means nothing to form an ethnic group.', you neglected that using other words.

Hitler was E-V13, or some other variant right? Would that have taken away his 'aryaness' if that was known to him and others back in the 40's? That is Genetics. And Hitlers paternal haplogroup was of Afro-Asiatic origins. So.....

[Decius]

Genetic means nothing to form an ethnic group. Culture, language, traditions are way more important.

+1

[Decius]

Hitler was E-V13, or some other variant right? Would that have taken away his 'aryaness' if that was known to him and others back in the 40's? That is Genetics. And Hitlers paternal haplogroup was of Afro-Asiatic origins. So.....

I dont think anyone would have cared about YDNA. Race is more derived from Autosomal DNA. E-V13 is just a Neolithic subclade anyway.

[Aldaris]

Hitler was E-V13, or some other variant right? Would that have taken away his 'aryaness' if that was known to him and others back in the 40's? That is Genetics. And Hitlers paternal haplogroup was of Afro-Asiatic origins. So.....

That's just a single ancestor from tens of thousands years ago. I'm pretty sure he would cluster perfectly with other Austrians/Germans, which is what is actually relevant.

[Vojnik]

That's just a single ancestor from tens of thousands years ago. I'm pretty sure he would cluster perfectly with other Austrians/Germans, which is what is actually relevant.

One drop rule mate.

Nah you are right, Autosomal would be the deciding factor when it comes to someones genetics. Far more important then Ydna.

[MinervaItalica]

I agree with that, but when you said 'Genetic means nothing to form an ethnic group.', you neglected that using other words.

Boris Johnson has turkish ancestry so probably his genetics are different from the one of an average english person but i bet he identify with Anglo culture and not Turkish.

However he shouldn't be considered ethnic English because his ancestors aren't from England.