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    Quote Originally Posted by Straightman View Post
    German-Americans mostly don't exist anymore, as their living descendants are mostly Euro-mutts. What proof that he show for his claim of them being mostly from South? All I know for sure is I read that the majority of German immigrants were Protestants like in Germany at the time (19th and early 20th centuries) and the minority Catholics were a majority of big city Germans. I get this from reading online, in English 'The American Commonwealth' by Viscount James Bryce, a British historian and politician of late 19th and early 20th century.
    Large parts of Southern Germany and Switzerland are Protestant. Pennsylvania Dutch originate from Palatinate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dentist View Post
    White Americans as a whole are for sure less blond than any part of the UK. German Americans are mostly Southern Germans and the Scandinavian Americans are a tiny bunch in numbers.
    The American physical anthropologist Earnest Hooton seemed to think that white Americans resembled the Irish more than anyone in terms of pigmentation. The Irish AFAIK are darker-haired than the UK, but have a higher concentration of light eyes.

    lO. NORDIC-MEDITERRANEAN

    (Long-heads of intermediate but darkish pigmentation)

    Sorting Criteria:

    a. Hair color and eye color: dark hair and mixed eyes, red hair and
    mixed eyes with stature under 170 cm., red-brown or medium brown
    hair and mixed eyes, light brown hair and dark eyes

    b. Cephalic index: under 80

    Distribution: This sorting includes numerically the largest group in the
    United States (25 per cent) and in Ireland (28.82 per cent)


    Up from the Ape, 1946, pp. 581: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.../n627/mode/2up

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    Btw if someone asked me to describe a stereotypical White American person, I'd think of someone with brown hair and light eyes.

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    PHYSICAL ANTHROPOLOGY OF THE OLD AMERICAN8
    PIGMENTATION; GREY HAIR; Loss OF HAIR
    BY ALES HRDLICKA
    https://ia600708.us.archive.org/view...1330050209.pdf

    Lights Proper
    Males (1009) 5.3%
    Females (914) 6.9%

    Light Brown (not blond)
    Males 16%
    Females 14.2%

    Medium Brown
    50%
    42.9%

    Darks (dark, dark brown, near black)
    Males 25%
    Females 29.8%

    Black
    Males 1.1%
    Females 1.3%

    Reds
    Males 2.6%
    Females 4.9%

    These figures are striking in more than one respect. Over three-
    fourths of the adult old Americans have their hair ranging from medium
    to dark and black, while but one in 14.5 among the females and one in
    near 16 among the males is in hair truly blond. The females as con-
    trasted with the males show a few more blonds and more reds, but also
    more darks, while the males give a predominance of the lighter and
    medium shades of brown.5 The females show the greater diversity

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    The interesting question is whether White Americans are blonder than the French or not.
    I think they might be quite on par with Northern French people.

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    It’s pretty complicated.
    Is Jason Mantzoukas, technically of European descent, white?

    Disney describes him as blond:

    Where do we draw the line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Tooth View Post
    It’s pretty complicated.
    Is Jason Mantzoukas, technically of European descent, white?

    Where do we draw the line?
    It's just a bit pointless as a question, since White Americans aren't an ethnicity, but an aggregate of every racially 'White' person in the US, which officially includes Jews, Middle Easterners, North Africans and Hispanics, as well as phenotypically disparate Northern and Southern Europeans.

    Maybe in a couple of centuries all the Whites will have mixed enough to be somewhat homogenous, but until then it's not much use generalising.
    Spoiler!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliver Tooth View Post
    It’s pretty complicated.
    Is Jason Mantzoukas, technically of European descent, white?

    Disney describes him as blond:

    Where do we draw the line?
    The author of the study I posted above said he included light brown in Lights Proper. Yet he also had a separate category for light brown.

    “Pure blonds” may be defined as those persons who have flaxen, blond, golden, yellow or light brown (near blond) hair, with pure (unmixed) light eyes. More ordinarily, or loosely, all those persons are regarded as “blonds” who have light hair of one or another of the above varieties, with light eyes, whether the latter are pure or would on close examination show traces of brown. And in a still more general way there may be classified as “fair” all those who have hair lighter than medium (including all reds except those o f the darkest shades), with light eyes, whether the eyes are pure or would show a mixture on closer scrutiny.
    As to “true brunets,” that class naturally comprises those with dark to black hair and medium to dark brown eyes. “Apparent brunets” would be all those with dark to black hair regardless of the color of the eyes.
    Those who do not enter into any one of the above classes are neces- sarily the “intermediates.”
    [...]
    The above table shows clearly that over one-half o f the Old American males and nearly one-half of the females are neither blonds nor brunets, but intermediates. True and even ordinary blonds are scarce, while true brunets are but little more frequent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Östsvensk View Post
    The author of the study I posted above said he included light brown in Lights Proper. Yet he also had a separate category for light brown.

    “Pure blonds” may be defined as those persons who have flaxen, blond, golden, yellow or light brown (near blond) hair, with pure (unmixed) light eyes. More ordinarily, or loosely, all those persons are regarded as “blonds” who have light hair of one or another of the above varieties, with light eyes, whether the latter are pure or would on close examination show traces of brown. And in a still more general way there may be classified as “fair” all those who have hair lighter than medium (including all reds except those o f the darkest shades), with light eyes, whether the eyes are pure or would show a mixture on closer scrutiny.
    As to “true brunets,” that class naturally comprises those with dark to black hair and medium to dark brown eyes. “Apparent brunets” would be all those with dark to black hair regardless of the color of the eyes.
    Those who do not enter into any one of the above classes are neces- sarily the “intermediates.”
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    The above table shows clearly that over one-half o f the Old American males and nearly one-half of the females are neither blonds nor brunets, but intermediates. True and even ordinary blonds are scarce, while true brunets are but little more frequent.
    The author above wrote that before the 1965 Chains Immigration act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triskelion View Post
    The author above wrote that before the 1965 Chains Immigration act.
    That shouldn't matter too much since light brown hair was found in only a minority (16% of males) of colonial Americans, whereas most had medium brown hair and then dark brown coming in second.

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