The stupidity of the "Mediterranean" label for phenotypes.

[The Great Uniter]

Mediterraneans are all over Europe. Almost every major figure in European history had a Med element, whether English, French, German, or Italian.

Arabs are not Meds, and only some North Africans are, but the two have a significant SSA element. The Mediterranean is progressive and refined - he has a noble look.

Aristotle and Michelangelo are good examples.

Mediterranean - Aristotle


Atlantid (50/50 Med-Nordid) - Plato

Mediterraneans don't actually have anything noble.

[Tauromachos]

lol at Beethoven, he didn't looked med at all

Of course he did

[Joso]

Don't forget Leibniz

Rather don't forget to take your pills, man lol
He was brachycephalic.

[Joso]

Of course he did

How?

[Ruggery]

For their "geography".... LOL.

Don´t you have eyes in your head? Look at the picture. There is NOTHING that can put in the same label together. They look like aliens to each other. And again, there are millions of central-Europeans and northern Europeans that are darker than millions of southern Europeans. Catherine Z Jones looks mulatta next to me. So, what the hell is that "southern Europeans are med" ? It is just a stupid label with zero rationalism (geography...LOL) considered. Just because they don´t look germanic?? That is the reason? Ridiculous.

OMG, let's not do this again
I never compared the Spaniards with the North Africans, obviously they are different just like the Europeans from the South and Europeans from the North / Central
Millions of northern and central Europeans much darker than southern Europeans? Do you live in an alternative reality?
German


English

Austrian

Dutch

Spaniard

Italian

Greek

I do not deny that there are Europeans from the north / center that are equally or darker than the euros in the south, but they are a minority.

[Ruggery]

I do not consider North Africa / Middle East as examples of real Mediterranean people because most of their people are mixed with other ethnicities, but South Europeans are not mixed with other etnic, they have real med phenotypes.

[Ruggery]

Accurate?

Enrique Peña Nieto appears and he´s mestizo, for example.

Yes, that is why I said that it has some flaws, but if you see the context of that map and compare it with reality, it is not far away.

[Lucas]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters

. A "lumper" is an individual who takes a gestalt view of a definition, and assigns examples broadly, assuming that differences are not as important as signature similarities. A "splitter" is an individual who takes precise definitions, and creates new categories to classify samples that differ in key ways.

Simply Coon was a "lumper". For him anyone with long head and pigmentation lighter than Ethiopian was Med (and at the other end of his spectrum he had Nordics). Of course it is utter bullshit.

Most people on this forum are "splitters",me too And for racial taxonomy it is better way.

[Gallop]

That entertaining the subject, you can continue ...

[Zroota]

Nothing wrong about being "Med". The thing is that "Med" is a irrational label and that most people like to label together in the same cathegory of "meds" those from north-africa or those that don´t look European, which it is something irrational.

And I agree that they're ignorant when they do that. So I am with you here. Many North Africans and as well as West Asians are definitely not, by and large, Mediterranean (especially North Africans). As I said, instead of criticising the Med category as a whole, just reprimand those who classify dark Arabs or North Africans as "Med".

Even North-Europeans have a 40% Anatolian on them and Southern Europeans have a 40% Northern European. So, just a 20% of difference makes one group to be something and the other group be "Med" and be put with north-africans.

True, but that's just genetics. Not phenotypes. Genetically, all Europeans cluster closer together, but of course there will be some outliers both in the north and south as their physical features go. And yes, labelling North Africans as a whole as Mediterranean is erroneous. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't classify Med looking Europeans (like Penelope Cruz, Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Mark Ruffallo, etc) as Mediterranean. If anything, we should restrict the term Mediterranean for Europeans (not just southerners, but any European who looks Med), just the same way we can utilise Nordic for a blonde, blue eyed European who is from, say, Portugal or Albania.

Furthermore, and in all fairness, if a West Asian legitimately looks Mediterranean, I don't see why we shouldn't use it for them as well. But of course, I mean only those that actually look European/Mediterranean -- Not that I mean we should it use it for any West Asian with dark hair and olive skin like the Kardashians and DJ Khaled.

Because most people don´t use the "Asyrian" or "West Asian" classification, most people say "they are meds".

Assyrian and West Asian aren't legit classifications (maybe you mean Assyroid). Actually, many Assyrians I've posted here were classified as Assyroid or Armenoid:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...andon-Brawadis
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...uber-Papa-Rug&
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...r-Jimmy-Durmaz