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    Seattle Times | July 25 2011

    ATHENS, Greece —

    Moody’s downgraded Greece’s bond ratings by a further three notches Monday and warned that it is almost inevitable the country will be considered to be in default following last week’s new bailout package.

    The agency said the new EU package of measures implies “substantial” losses for private creditors. As a result, it cut its rating on Greece by three notches to Ca – one above what it considers a default rating. It also put eight Greek banks on review for a possible downgrade.

    Though Moody’s said a Greek debt default is “virtually certain,” it noted that the new measures will increase the likelihood that Greece will be able to stabilize and eventually reduce its overall debt burden.

    It also said the package also benefits other eurozone countries by “containing the near-term contagion risk that would likely have followed a disorderly payment default or large haircut on existing Greek debt.”

    In recent weeks, financial markets have been rocked by fears that much bigger economies like Spain and Italy may get dragged into Europe’s debt crisis mire, which has also seen Ireland and Portugal bailed out alongside Greece.

    Eurozone countries and the International Monetary Fund last week agreed to give Greece a second bailout worth euro109 billion ($155 billion), on top of the euro110 billion granted in rescue loans a year ago.

    If all goes to plan, banks and other private investors will contribute some euro50 billion ($71 billion) to the rescue package until 2014 by swapping Greek bonds that they hold for new ones with lower interest rates or slightly lower face value, or selling the bonds back to Greece at a low price

    “The support package incorporates the participation of private sector holders of Greek debt, who are now virtually certain to incur credit losses,” Moody’s said in a statement. “If and when the debt exchanges occur, Moody’s would define this as a default by the Greek government on its public debt.”

    Despite Greece’s new package, which was more comprehensive than many in the markets had predicted, Moody’s said it’s going to take many years of hard graft for Greece to get complete control of its debts.

    “Greece will still face medium-term solvency challenges – its stock of debt will still be well in excess of 100 percent of GDP for many years and it will still face very significant implementation risks to fiscal and economic reform,” Moody’s said.

    The agency added that it will reassess Greece’s rating once the bond exchange has been completed “to ensure that it reflects the risk associated with the country’s new credit profile, including the potential for further debt restructurings.”

    On Friday, ratings agency Fitch also said Greece faced a default but that it would reassess the rating once the new bonds are issued – implying that the bad rating might only last for a few days.

    While Greece’s brush with default will be a first for a euro country, the immediate practical consequences of the rating for Greece should be limited.

    For weeks, the overriding fear was that, because of the bad rating, already struggling Greek banks would be frozen out of the European Central Bank’s emergency liquidity operations.

    However, last week eurozone leaders found a way around that threat by promising to temporarily deposit euro35 billion with the ECB to boost the creditworthiness of defaulted bonds used as collateral by Greek banks, until the default rating has been lifted.

    Crucially for Greece and Europe as a whole, the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, a trade association, said the new rescue deal is not expected to trigger payment of bond insurance because private sector involvement is voluntary.

    Greek government spokesman Elias Mossialos brushed off Moody’s downgrade as of “no practical value,” arguing that domestic lenders can count on secure credit lines under the terms of the new bailout.

    “Unfortunately for them, (ratings agencies) won’t have anything to work on for many years,” he said in a radio interview. “Perhaps the finance ministry should cancel its subscriptions, because I think the Greek government pays subscriptions to these agencies to receive their results … I don’t think we need them any longer.”
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    One thing they didn't teach us at school is that a few private companies decide the fate of nations.

    And this holds true universally, not just for Greece. How/when did it came to this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe View Post
    One thing they didn't teach us at school is that a few private companies decide the fate of nations.

    And this holds true universally, not just for Greece. How/when did it came to this?
    It's called extreme capitalism and it sucks. Major fail!
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    When private banks control your money supply, they control you. It started and continues with the Rothschild family who currently control half the wealth of the world and rule via their central banks like the Federal Reserve established in 1913 in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas Æquitas View Post
    When private banks control your money supply, they control you. It started and continues with the Rothschild family who currently control half the wealth of the world and rule via their central banks like the Federal Reserve established in 1913 in the United States.
    In theory, most central banks should be able to discipline private banks at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monolith View Post
    In theory, most central banks should be able to discipline private banks at any time.
    In practice, it seems it is the other way round

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe View Post
    In practice, it seems it is the other way round
    private banks have greece by the balls
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absinthe View Post
    In practice, it seems it is the other way round
    Sure, because the FED being run and virtually owned by the private banks and bankers, to begin with.

    It is a tool for them, rather than a tool for the public to control banks!

    Also, I wouldn't wonder too much if Greece goes bankrupt, because the austerity plans were shit and all the crap being told in the mass media and powerful circles just resulted in less and even less investment, while the bills are still coming...

    In fact, I don't see how Greece could get out of it with the current plans at least, bankruptcy or (at least partial but substantial) debt relief and a huge economic investment program would be the only way out of this vicious circle.

    Anyway, like I wrote here and on various other occasions, Greece is not alone and this failure is, even though Greek politicians made a lot of mistakes and were actually fraudsters too, systemic:
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=498784

    This financial and money system is a fraud, a huge scam as such.

    It is just that at the ends of the financial-economic cycles, this becomes more obvious and problematic and we are now at the end of such cycle, which is a mathematical certainty.

    The question is just "which new (old) way" being introduced after the crash, and we have to prevent the Plutocrats from gaining even more profits from and power over the people after the "restart", which means to have a new financial-money system, without fractional reserve and public debt in the way we know it and various controls of the market, financial market in particular...

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